Speed, strength, these aren't the things you need!

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by Manassa, Jul 31, 2010.


  1. Manassa

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    They just help. There are several skills and attributes a boxer needs to develop if he or she wishes to be any good, and speed and strength are nearly last on the list.
    Without getting bogged down with the almost mythical categories of 'heart' and 'chin', I'll talk briefly about some very valid and applicable traits that natural talents should surely want to know about.

    Distance - if you can control distance, you can control your opponent, and it really is as simple as that. This is ties in with footwork, and I'm not necessarily referring to dancing or running. Subtle shifts of your own bodyweight while your feet remain steady may be all that it takes to slip into optimal punching range.

    Angles - which are, of course, related to distance. The next step up in class. A lot of Cuban amateurs are great at snaking round an opponent quickly, leaving their opponent tied up at the feet and vulnerable.

    I'm on a ****ing Playstation and it's ****! More to follow.
     
  2. Manassa

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    Timing - knowing when to punch really is the difference between exhausting yourself through missed shots and being able to counter effectively, or even intercept. If you've got timing and later you develop speed, you'll be Roy Jones.

    Pacing - a given bonus to all who master the aforementioned. With skill in each area comes economy of movement and ultimately, plain professionalism in the ring. Never fight so hard that you leave yourself with nothing because nothing gets you nowhere; you fight in a way that leaves you with more than the other fighter. Don't use it.

    These are fairly scientific aspects of boxing, but you don't have to be scientific. Spar often, and shadow box with intention. It's about visualisation. It'll become natural.

    And by all means expand. Feint the **** out of somebody, throw unusual combinations, invent your own methods. Man has nearly perfected this art so don't ignore the textbook, but remember there's room for innovation.

    Disclaimer: I'm not a trainer so don't take my word for it.
     
  3. di tullio

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    couldn't agree more. so many guys think they'll be better boxers by smashing a bag and lifting weights.
     
  4. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So what youre saying Speed and strength dont help. Id rather have them than not, They help a lot.
     
  5. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    ?? Weirdest post i've read for a long time.
     
  6. Manassa

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    I clearly stated that they do help. I'm just an advocate of the more overlooked traits.

    I'll concede it's a strange post, but I'm typing using a game controller and it takes ****ing ages. There's more I wanted to say.
     
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    gatto Active Member Full Member

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    i prefer this post to more than half of the garbage on the training forum:happy. ...fresh perspective or something
     
  9. viru§™

    viru§™ Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    As usual you're twisting it. I'll repeat what I said to you in the last thread when you claimed the exact same thing - Lifting weights can make somebody stronger and be used for conditioning. Nobody has ever claimed using weights makes you a better boxer.
     
  10. wayneflint

    wayneflint Active Member Full Member

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    I think strength and speed helps you get away with doing things that slower/weaker people couldnt.
     
  11. El Puma

    El Puma between rage and serenity Full Member

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    Translation: Manassa feels one needs to train to be complete fighter and not be dependent on just certain aspects. He also has given what those other aspects are and does not favor one over the other.


    Yes?
     
  12. di tullio

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    you're right, my bad, i'm a bit of an ass about it. a good weightlifting routine COULD more good than harm, but there are way too many people given false advice when looking for quick solutions to their problems. more often than not you'll hear someone who supports weightlifting saying "if done correctly... blah blah blah". there are too many wrong ways to do it. bottom line is that stamina, strength, skills, and knowledge are built fastest when shadowboxing and sparring. it's time proven.
     
  13. Some good points there. I think internal rhythm is one of the most important skills of a boxer. It's like putting grid paper up over a drawing, breaking boxing into little pieces, the better it is the less guess work out.
     
  14. Manassa

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    Of course. When I have a real computer I'll go into depth in all what I believe and hopefully others can take something from it.

    You touched on another point which is the importance of versatility and dynamism inside the ring. A variety of punches is only part of it; there are myriad ways of defending, too, and a thousand tricks to conserve energy, open opportunities and control the fight.
     
  15. Manassa

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    I'm all for rhythmic fighting, micro movements and grooving round the ring. With the right understanding, you can become unreadable.