Sports Illustrated article critical of Floyd

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by NorthernCross, Sep 21, 2011.


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  1. NorthernCross

    NorthernCross Well-Known Member Full Member

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    How can you believe it's flawed since you just used the rationale yourself? Whether you realize it or not, you conceded my point that too many people unfairly criticize Floyd. The key point here is not the author's credibility so much as it is the popularity of the view he espouses.
     
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  2. SweetHome_Bama

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    Discussing the lack of weight that an argument carries is proving your point that biased/bad writing will influence Floyd's legacy. :lol::lol:

    Poor reasoning.

    I fail to see how terrible and easily picked apart writings seeking to diminish Floyd will actually in effect diminish his legacy.
     
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  3. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    ... By "slippery slope," the author meant that when a fighter of Floyd's caliber feels the need to throw a cheap shot at a kid who was stepping back from an embrace with his hands down, it is not good sportsmanship. Loaded gloves, steroids, drugging the water, --all this stuff begins with bad sportsmanship. Is this registering at all?

    Again, Floyd broke no rules. But he was a poor sportsman. Hell, I'd understand it better if he did that immediately after the headbutt, but not after two apologies and a point deduction!

    He sure is.

    The hell it is.
     
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  4. NorthernCross

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    That's because you keep missing my point. I suspect that you don't know what my point is.

    I'll give you a hint: I don't agree with the article about Fritzie Zivic, but it's a reflection of a popular viewpoint.
     
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  5. SweetHome_Bama

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    It isn't a reflection of a popular viewpoint, most people don't view Floyd as being the same as a boxer who loaded his gloves.

    As for the punch that ended the fight, there are multiple viewpoints of it, seems 50/50 split to me.

    Floyd didn't throw a cheap shot.

    Floyd wasn't a poor sportsman, the one who headbutted was.
     
    SweetHome_Bama, Sep 23, 2011
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  6. NorthernCross

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    Given the amount of negative press about Floyd in the mainstream sports media, circumstances seem to indicate that indeed it is a popular viewpoint.

    Maybe it is a 50/50 split when it comes to that one punch. But taking into consideration the amount of hate Floyd already gets in the media, it's not something that really helps his popularity. And Floyd does get a lot of negative press; even he acknowledges as much. And the cumulative effect of all the hate is what will steer blame in Floyd's direction if the Pac fight doesn't get made.
     
    NorthernCross, Sep 23, 2011
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  7. Stonehands89

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    Are you president of his fan club?

    Floyd wasn't a poor sportsman, the one who headbutted was.[/quote]
    Ortiz broke the rules and was a poor sportsman. Floyd was a poor sportsman.
     
    Stonehands89, Sep 23, 2011
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  8. SweetHome_Bama

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    People hated Ali incredibly in his heyday he wasnt beloved until later. Once the show is over though, most people recognize the success of and objectively evaluate a sport star's achievements, they also do the same for beloved ones and can lead to them lowering in position.

    Ortiz broke the rules and was a poor sportsman. Floyd was a poor sportsman.[/quote]

    So throwing punches in fight once the ref has called time is poor sportsmanship? :lol:

    I guess the whole sport is full of poor sportsmen.
     
    SweetHome_Bama, Sep 23, 2011
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  9. NorthernCross

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    Actually, Ali was much more popular outside the U.S. than Floyd is today. Ali hate was very much tied to the domestic politics of the time, so the hate didn't translate well outside our borders.

    With Floyd, the hate is all Floyd without need for social/political context. So I don't believe the analogy is valid.
     
    NorthernCross, Sep 23, 2011
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  10. SweetHome_Bama

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    Not talking about outside the US though.

    His home country is where most of the hate comes from, and mostly from the same group who hate every top black athelete with a loud mouth.
     
    SweetHome_Bama, Sep 23, 2011
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  11. NorthernCross

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    But I am talking about the outside, and for a specific reason. Ali hate had a historical American context. Remove the context, and the people had less reason to hate. In Floyd's case, his conduct is the context. It's impossible to remove Floyd from the context of the circumstances he himself created.
     
    NorthernCross, Sep 23, 2011
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  12. SouthpawJab

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    Most Floyd haters are black people.
     
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  13. Sweet Jones

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    Not my fault that you played yourself out.
     
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  14. SweetHome_Bama

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    Ali was hated because of his mouth. Plenty of people actually stood on his same side of the argument, but America hates black people who speak up and don't act humble.
     
    SweetHome_Bama, Sep 23, 2011
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  15. JoeCamelTow

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    Cut that whiny victim **** out. People are colorblind to douchebaggery!
     
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