Sports Illustrated article critical of Floyd

Go back to the lounge and make a fool of yourself there Bama. :roll:

 

The only way you could think Manny is greater than Louis, SRR, SRL, and Jack in popularity in the US is if you are actually a ******ed person.

Boxing was in its heyday when those men were stars. They were national heroes/villans and known by all, because they were in the equivalent of what the NFL is today.

Manny is famous, but boxing is no where near what it used to be in the US, it is a large niche sport now.

Louis, SRR, SRL, and Johnson were legends and they had legacy, all but Johnson ended up broke after squandering or having their boxing accumlated wealth stolen from them.

Manny is popular, but not as popular as the people you try to compare him with and certainly not as popular as Mike Tyson. FACT.

Kobe, LBJ, and the rest still won't make Manny ever come close to having the fame in the US as SRL, SRR, Louis, Tyson, or Johnson, Dempsey, Marciano, and etc. from the US golden or silver ages of boxing. Boxing was on a completely different national level back then.

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Now Manny is a slick counter puncher? How can Manny counter Floyd when Floyd's length leaves him out of countering range? Unless you think Manny is just going to be able to jump in on Floyd, but that will leave him eating counters from Floyd just like Ortiz was, except he isn't as big as Ortiz.

Everyone says floyd's countering won't discourage them, that is until they actually fight him. Floyd has won plenty of decisions by boxing, boxing isn't a slugfest toughman competition, it involves strategy, skill and technique, all of which Floyd has more of than Pac.

 

PAC is more popular in the US corky..... I grantee MOST of the US population would know PAC over Jack Johnson, Louis, Ray Robinson...Maybe not Ray Leonard, Tyson or Ali...but those "golden era" fighters absolutely. Even in their hayday the technology wasn't there like the internet or cable TV, digital cameras and videos...ect..ect... ect.. PAC lives in an era where technology allows him to be more popular and have more exposure on a GLOBAL scale than the other ATG's we are discussing.

You operate at a very surface and BASIC level when there are so many layers to account for in this discussion. You have the depth of a mud puddle kid.

Floyd is great at Defense but he's still hittable...ortiz was able to land and counter with a right hook and left straight, PAC won't have as hard a time that Ortiz had but Floyd will definitely have a difficult time dealing with double or triple the amount of punches he's use to countering off of.

The thing about Floyd is he "ANTICIPATES" his opponents moves b/c he hones in on their rhythm....PAC doesn't have a set rhythm... he's in and out....he's using lateral movement and pucning from all sorts of odd angles. It's not going to be a typical Floyd experience when and if he ever decides he's ready to fight PAC.

Ortiz was bigger....Slower, Less experienced and less talented than Manny.. he also lacked the skills and explosiveness PAC has. IT won't be the same kind of Fight for Floyd and that's why we are talking about it and haven't seen it.

PAC's not given enough credit for his ablity to adapt and use strategy to beat his BIGGER foes. And when I say he's not given enough credit.....it's only those upset Floyd fans dismissing "reason" simply because Floyd does.

 

*****s: but but but... Ortiz is a young hungry lion and he weighed in as a jr. middleweight against Floyd!!!!!!

 

Now you change your target. First you say he is more popular than they were, now you are claiming he is more popular than they are. Which one is it?

Yes Manny is more popular than legends of the past now, but he still isn't more popular than say Mike Tyson or even Holyfield.

To top it off, he is no where close to being as famous than any of those legends at the height of their own popularity. Which was the point I was hammering home. That is just a fact. The lack of media outlets but popularity of the sport of boxing actually works in the Dempsey's and Jack Johnson's and SRR and Joe Louis's favor, they were on every news feed. Like I said they were all either US heroes or villans, Manny can not touch them in popularity in the US.

Manny is well known globablly, but who said he wasnt?

:rofl:rofl I love it, you have nothing logically to say because you even know that you are wrong, so you try to attack me personally. Ad Hominem attacks don't help your point Knuckles.

Ortiz was able to land after eating a straight right on the way in or a upper cut on the way in, and most of his punches were either rolled or caught on the gloves, elbows, or shoulder. The proof of Ortiz's success is in the pudding, look at his face and look at Floyd's. Look at who tried to headbutt after he saw that he was having absolutely no effect. Who was caught with an uppercut and stunned so hard that his knees buckled?

Ortiz didn't show anything more than anyone else. People actually land on Floyd, Zab was able to land on him just like Manny will probably land on him, but unlike Zab Manny has no sense of boxing tactics and craft, no technique, and is not able to deal with movement, especially people turning him.

Manny doesn't adapt, he really does the same **** over and over, he has cleaned up his technique some what though, but JMM, Shane, and even Cotto showed that he has a hard time dealing with movement and jabs.

 

You really need to read up on boxing history. You might surprise yourself.

 

I didn't change my target son....it's your lack of reading comprehension that your struggling with. PAC is MORE popular period....I'm talking OVERALL... not based on era...or location...PERIOD. I can't get any more direct than that to help you with your struggles understanding.

PAC is more popular than Holy....Tyson....probably not. Tyson surpassed ALI as more popular. His "brand" and aurora that Mike Tyson had made him an incredible sports figure that transcended the sport itself. EVERYONE knew Mike and his popularity has yet to be duplicated.

PAC is still reaching his "HEIGHT OF POPULARITY". And at present he's beyond Hagler, Hearns or guys like Johnson, Marciano and Louis.

It's funny you say that I "Know I'm wrong" and that I "lack logic"..... I think you are simply working with a complex kid. Ortiz did act out of frustation....but that was more to do with Floyd's OUT OF THE RING antics.....Floyd is a master at mind games and got under Vics skin long before the sound of the first bell.

When the bell rung... Ortiz was fighting off emotion and got pulled into the mental warfare Floyd empolyed which saw Vic try to butt and fight dirty.

For somone without "CRAFT, BOXING TECHNIQUE and the inability to deal with movement"... I'd say EVERYONE should take a page out of PAC's book b/c everyone else is obviously doing it wrong. Of course I'm just kidding....I'm merely pointing out how completely ridiculous you sound by questioning PAC as a boxer...who is proven and consistent..who is the best fighter many times over. Get real.

PAC doesn't have a hard time with jabs or "MOVEMENT". he has a hard time with RUNNING...those fighters who decide that "SURVIVAL" is more important than trying to win. i.e. Shane.

 

:roll: Another confused weekend boxing fan. I'm surprised.

 

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Brandy's Brother is a Floyd Mini me..... Floyd is a Fiddy Cent mini me... Ray J and Floyd are two corny ass mother****ers.

 

Yes you did try to move the goal posts, but your posts are there for everyone to see.

Tyson would probably have the same amount of fame as Ali, both were/are global icons and superstars in the sport.

Manny is nowhere close to being famous in teh US as Hearns and SRL. Like I said earlier, boxing has dropped in the public support arena since the 80s.

And Hearns and SRL are nowhere as famous as Marciano, Johnson, Louis, and Robinson.

Manny can fight, but I've never considered him the best boxer at any time in his career.

Manny can't handle boxers, Morales showed that, Marquez showed that, and even Shane in a loss was able to show that. He can not handle movement well.

 

No need to move the goal post.....There's really no debate on who is more popular.

Tyson and ALI have different kinds of fame. One is more of a Political figure and cornerstone and the other is more a "POP" cult type of figure who's name was associated with "the baddest man on the planet".

PAC is definitely more popular in the US than Hearns or Hagler. Ray Leonard was like DLH...just a MASSIVE US star. And I never claimed PAC to be a MEGA STAR in the us...just globally.

Of course Manny can fight....whether you consider him the best or not means little as he's already considered the best by the majority. He's a lock kid....there's nothing that belly aching and over rationalization will do to change that... but I think some just can't help it.

Manny's handled some of THE BEST boxers and though he's lost...he's won far more than he's lost and if "Movement" was all it took to beat Manny.....Manny wouldn't be an 8 division champ.

 

They were famous for the same reason, they were the undisputed HW champs. Ali was known as the Greatest of All Time for a reason, just like Tyson for a time was called the Baddest Man Alive.

No Manny isn't popular than any of the people you listed in the US as they were in their primes.

No one said Manny couldn't fight, he just is a **** poor boxer. Being a champ in his different divisions has nothing to do with how he handles boxers, you are making a logic mistake. Like I said Manny has problems with boxers, it puzzles me in thing of a way he could beat Mayweather.

 

Floyd's a G.

 

its nice that he can admit to contradicting himself. Thats the only truthful thing he can admit to.

He also admitted to being something different, being what people want him to be in front of the camera, on camera.

Its nice he's a self-admitted poseur. Keep looking up to him, *****s....