Sports Illustrated article critical of Floyd

There have been MANY Undisputed HW champs but very few have captured the worlds attention like the few boxers we are discussing.

And yes....Manny is more popular than those fighters I've mentioned. It's really not debatable although you are giving it a good attempt.

It's laughable you claim that the #1 P4P "BOXER" in the world and best "BOXER" of the decade can't actually "BOX". We already know PAC can fight but to claim..in your words that "He's a **** poor boxer" is pretty funny.

I find it funny you dismiss great TECHNICAL boxers like EM, MAB and JMM when you attempt to make claim that PAC can't beat them. Sure.....some styles give PAC problems but ANY boxer has suitable and UN-suitable styles.

Even Floyd has styles he has difficulties with....which is why we still have yet to see him step up to fight PAC.

 

You may not know it, but there was a time when HW champions were national heroes in teh US, especialy when boxing was the biggest sport.

No Manny isn't as big in the US as you seem to think he is.

Many being P4P any number has no bearing on his ability to actually box.

I haven't dismissed any of the boxers you claim I have, it is obvious that you can not read and comprehend.

 

Wait a minute!


Did someone say Pac is as famous as Sugar Ray Leonard used to be? I can't be arsed to read the whole thread...


No. Not Leonard, not Hearns, not Hagler.

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl and is dead serious too!

 

Of course PAC is as big in the US.

Again...to claim PAC can't box is laughable. You confused knowledge with perception and your perception is very warped

You are going around in circles kid... You said PAC can't deal with boxers who move. All boxers move...some more than others but good TECHNICAL boxers are threaded throughout PAC's resume.

 

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Who didn't say Pac wasn't famous in the US, that was never the question, you made the claim he was bigger in the US than SRL, SRR, Louis, Dempsey, and etc.. and now you have played yourself.

Pac can not box, he is a brawler.

Saying the same thing isn't going around in circles, it is saying the same thing. Which is that Manny has problems with boxers, even Shane was able to show his problem when he constantly was turning him and making him reset.

Except it won't effect either of their legacies if they don't fight each other.

 

I never said pac was bigger in the US than Leonard.... I said Leonard, tyson. Oscar and Ali were all more popular but pac is more popular than the other greats we've discussed. You played yourself thinking you could din this debate.

Calling pac a "brawler" is some funny **** man.. mayorga is a brawler kid if you want to get technical. Pac is a "boxer/puncher. You finding a way to give Shane credit for "running" to survive in there with pac is desperate. Lol...

 

Yes you did

Don't run from your posts now.

Also Manny is a brawler, he is nothing close to a boxer/puncher, which you could classify Floyd as at the smaller weights, Marquez as.

Shane running and turning Manny would have been negated if Manny possessed the basic skill of knowing how to cut off the ring, Manny doesnt though.

 

No I didn't......But good luck with trying to prove that the ocean is up and the sky is down while your at it.

You obviously don't know too much about the sweet sciecne if you are calling PAC a brawler. Way to put yourself on blast kid. Floyd is a slick counter puncher. Marquez is a counter puncher...plain and simple.

The basic skills and knowlege to cut off the ring isn't hard to master....especailly not for someone like PAC who has tremendous foot work. You're reaching.... Those who "RUN" in boxing present a very difficulty task for the opposition. It's hard to get them to engage and hard to produce quality work when someone is looking to run and survive.

 

Even when I post your direct quote you still try to deny deny.

Floyd at lighter weight was a boxer/puncher the higher in weight the less likey he became to initiate offense and became a pure counter puncher, now he is reverting back to boxer/puncher and his increasing his offense and initiating action like he used to. JMM is a textbook example of a boxer/puncher, if he was a pure counter puncher he would've already beaten Manny, because it was when he started trying to brawl and punch it out that he got the knockdowns against him.

Manny is a brawler though, whether you like it or not.

 

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You posted where I said PAC was more popular than Hagler, hearns and other golden era fighters. You never quoted me saying PAC was more popular than SRL. Keep reaching bro...

Floyd was more of a boxer/puncher early but he was always more of a counter puncher. As he progressed and upped his level of competition he gradually became more defensive and ultimately more of a slick counter puncher.

JMM is a counter puncher who now has become more of a boxer/puncher due to age....weight gain and loss of reflexes. He goes at it with his foes more than laying traps and capitolizing as a PURE counter puncher.

If JMM was a pure counter puncher he would have lost in more clear fashion the first two times. PAC MADE JMM more aggressive and more of a boxer/puncher when PAC caught him in the first round of their initial fight. JMM had to fight and change his tatics which he did very well. But still lost.

PAC isn't a brawler but you can continue making yourself look foolish. I find it entertaining.

 

I saw this article and thought two things:

1. It is pretty critical, but doesn't cross into any new territory.

2. This is what the typical sports fan/casual boxing fan reads and thinks. To those outside of Floyd, his crew and fans, and a few hard core anti-Arums, Floyd will be remembered as a guy who shielded his "0" more than anything. Manny will be loved for bringing excitement and laying it all on the line; Mayweather will always have "but he never fought _____" attached to him.