SRL vs. Mugabi

Of course Leonard is a class above here, might even get a late stoppage.

 

CT, as usual, hit the nail on the head with his post.

 

Just stay quiet like a good boy and take your lumps!

 

Leonards chin and recuperative powers were great. He took big punches from duran,hearns,hagler and lalonde yet recovered to fight back very strongly...He took three tremendous consecutive right hands from hearns in their second fight and got knocked down for the second time,yet one round later he was kicking tommy all around the ring in an effort to stop him....With hindsight loooking back at rays career the man had an iron chin,great reflexes,defense and recuperative powers,he also had the warrior instinct and the immense will to win...
I think when he went in with dangerous punchers he was at the top of his game and would avoid their flush shots,and even if they landed his attributes ensured he wouldnt be stopped....
Leonard has too much speed,foot movement,stamina and smarts to get beat by mugabi,even in the latter part of rays career he would UD john. In leonards prime he might stop john late in a fifteen rounder at lt middle...
Redrooster,please leonard is the best welter of all time,and an atg head to head at lt middle and possibly middle,frightening thing is we missed rays prime due to the detached retina....If this hadnt have happened ray could have overtaken the orignal sugarman p4p by consensus. (i think he is better p4p anyway,but thats just me.)

 

This should be fun. Redrooster, who doesn't give Leonard much credit at all and someone who considers him to be better than the original Sugar.

Fighters, to your corners. Ignore me when I say 'break' and don't mind the rules at any time. Box!

 

With the passage of time more people are coming to the conclusion that ray was the best welter of all time...Many rank him number two anyway,so its close...
I just feel leonards resume at welter contains four fights against three atgs in benitez,duran twice and hearns,and all of these fighters were at or near their prime and these three had something like 130 wins between them with only one loss (avenged twice,duran v dejesus.) and something like 90 or more kos,add to this his winning the lt middle belt,the hagler win past leonards prime and the further battles with duran,hearns and lalonde at supermiddle/lt heavy....For such a short career an astonishing resume,and range of weights....Also leonard proved he had every intangible against all different styles,boxer, box-puncher,southpaw,pressure fighter and guys bigger than him all at the highest level,and this is all allied to his speed,power,reflexes,ring generalship,chin,warrior mentality,footwork and tremendous will to win...
Dont worry though,i know hed get annihilated in an MMA match or against mike tyson....:hey

 

Hey, I'm a big Leonard fan. Heck, I'm a fan of every good boxer and simply loved the era he fought in. So many great fighters with diverse and unique styles -- 'Radar' Benitez, cutthroat Duran, lanky Hearns, tough man Hagler and even Mugabi.

But I'll be honest and say he's not quite Ray Robinson. To understand what this man accomplished is to give up looking for someone better. Visualise the fantasy that all we had of Ray Leonard was his second fight with Hearns and onward -- it would be much harder to put him so high all-time welter if all we had to go on was that, right?

Robinson looks like a beast to me, and going by all accounts, there exists no footage of him in his prime. He fought over 300 times and had an amazing winning streak of over 70 fights without a loss against solid opposition -- almost twice as many matches as Ray fought in his career.

I respect your opinion, though, even if I don't share it. I hold Leonard in very high esteem, but just happen to think the world of Robinson.

 

Thats fine shake,its just my opinion....I just value quality over quantity,and i feel that robbie only beat one prime atg at welter (gavilan.) and i dont think he faced a puncher like hearns or a skilled animal like duran at welter....If we go strictly by resume then harry greb is the best hands down???? Robbie also got knocked down for nine against artie levine at near welter....I dont know how many great punchers robbie faced at welter or even middle?? Some say a faded graziano was the best puncher robbie faced? Leonard faced hearns twice,with hearns being the no1 or at least no2 hardest hitter of all time at welter.....

 

Thats a very interesting point. Shall I call Redrooster delusional?
Or shall I settle for twat?

 

I think I know who this guy is. If I'm right, he's the one my friend invited to ESB and I debated before on another site. He's cool tho and we get along with each other but never agree.

 

I've actually never been here before, sir. Shake is my first and only account.

 

I disagree, only one of them had/has "talent", a pre-req of potential. Hint - it isn't Rooster

 

I'm talking about Enquirer. His name looks familiar. I'm going to look at some of his past comments but I'm pretty sure he was just baiting me this time.

 

You seriously need to see a doctor.

 

Thanks Achilles. i'll work on it.