SRL vs. Mugabi

SRL would easily beat the overrated Mugabi, John beat only bums until he met Hagler, he had one of the most padded records I ever saw...


SRL UD Mugabi


(12-3 rounds)

 

You're thinking of lightweight Duran. A common mistake.

Hearns was just anemic that night and could have used a couple of hearty meals with a steak and mash potatoes with butter.

That's the first I heard of that. I remember hearing two distinct impacts including a hard thud when he hit the canvas and seeing people in the audience laughing because Leonard thought he looked so cool with his shuffle act and then the next moment he winds up on his ass!

what shot fighter ever floors his opponent? I've only seen it once in the Napoles fight vs. Stracey.

That's right. I remember nostalgia night. That was leonard's favorite kind of fight but I'll o agree that his legs were in great working condition because of all the running/booing.

Too bad those tactics only work who are ready for retirement instead of someone like Norris :smoke

SO? James Kinchen didn't go down once. Ray goes down twice and I'm supposed to give him points because of it? :nut

Lalonde didn't even belong in the ring with Ray and you're bragging how Ray survived! You're twisted.

Then how come he couldn't handle a punch at 154? You just got done bragging how Ray's chin survived hits from a light heavyweight but he still got floored in both Howard and Norris fights at what you said was his best weight

I told you no lying. I felt at some point you were going to try this route. No die hard leonard fan can ever debate me without something extra that doesn't exist, hoping that I'll somehow be easily decieved. I'm not decieved

14 months somehow equals two years?

You can't go back now and change your story after just telling me 154 is his best weight. And you can't try to pretend Leonard didn't have enough time to make weight. It's not as though he was making mandatory defense. Otherwise you just come across as a liar with all the sour grapes.

I'm sure you would and most likely took the bait as soon as both fights were announced. Not me. I knew leonard wasn't capable of giving Terry a fight and he didn't.

This was going to look like the first hearns fight with leonard falling behind and getting his ears boxed and that he would try to catch Terry in the corner with some flurries but it would fail this time and that Norris wouldn't even freeze up.

How is leonard going to beat a man with reflexes, a man with speed when he can't even beat an old man like Hagler or like Hearns?? Leonard never could win a major fight without controversy.

The fight was in the bag and I made loads of dough at the casino in Bell Gardens, ca., betting everything I had even tho my Dad told me not to. But I'm smarter than him because he didn't follow any sports except baseball.

I wasn't nervous like all the other people that lost their shirts. I even rooted leonard on giving moral support ("don't make it too easy for him leonard!")

you should have been there. It must have been the quietest boxing match I ever attended even tho everyone ther was boozed up. It was quiet like a grave and some bartender got annoyed with me because I was celebrating.

At first I thought it was PMS but soon realized she shitting in her pants because of the money she was losing and was mourning for leonard, blaming the loss because Terry hit him on the canvas like a typical leonard fan would.

She knew who her money was going to

 

Well,you are fond of twisting,taking out of context and misquoting!!!!
Hagler was shot? More like he found rays speed hard to deal with....
Your logic is weird.....For instance hearns never got stopped or heavily dropped at above 168 yet would folks say that the punchers he met at welter and middle overall were harder punchers than the lt heavies he faced? Norris knocked down leonard because ray was past it,and norris was a quick and hard puncher... Doesnt mean norris punches harder than hearns,hagler,duran or lalonde.....Why did duran kd barkley and hearns didnt in two fights? Does this make duran a harder puncher than tommy? Hell no.....
Face it,ray has victories over an at or close to peak unbeaten benitez, a one loss avenged twice 72 wins close to peak duran win,a close to peak unbeaten hearns and an unbeaten for 11 years/37 fights/12 consecutive undisputed middle defenses hagler...While i agree marvin wasnt peak,he was rated p4p 1 or 2,had the size advantage and ray was disadvantaged by having one fight in five years and being past his best as well... Not many fighters can boast 4 wins v 4 atgs,even marvin cant match that......:yikes

 

This is one of the most compelling ass whuppings of all time. Kudo's!

 

Yet 2 days ago you tell us

:rofl

What a hypocritical troll you are

You also tell us Camacho was washed up when he fought Haugen, well guess what his magic number was?

38 fights

Need i remind he never had gruelling struggles against the likes of Duran, Hearn's, Hagler and co?

:nut

 

Like Duran claimed to have had before No Mas?

 

he can't boast he was ko'd by Hector Camacho either.

Marvin can't say he was outboxed for 14 rounds by Hearns.

marvin can't say he was beat up in a fight like Leonard or that he was shut out on the scorecards-I thought Norris should have been given the title "sugar" instead of Leonard.



When you mention Leonard, fans think the name Benny.
When you say sugar, fans think Robinson.

 

That's typical for middleweights because traditionally, it's extra competitive. The welters have no such competition. The typical middleweight becomes a clubfighter by age 30. So says Barry Tompkins.

Unless of course, the division is as weak as it was during the Hopkins era. Then you can stay on top for as long as you like even without a punch.

 

Thanks JT.
Red rooster,JT has pointed out some double standards on your side yet you come back with the welters not being competitive? Come on benitez,duran twice and hearns is as competitive as it comes,not forgetting the lt middle title for ray....
Haglers most competitive fights as a middle champion (ironically enough!:smoke .) comes from two welters,a lt middle and a lightweight....(leonard,hearns,mugabi and duran.) Guess them middles werent as competitive as you though hey?:yikes :hey
And by your same logic leonard from 30 onwards (starting from the hagler fight where he was nearly 31 in fact.) fought all of his fights at middle ( except for norris at 154.) and one above middle....So by the time he met norris and especially camacho the tough competition at middle had worn him out.....Just like your man sibson......whats good for the goose is good for the gander hey......
* 'tongue firmly in his cheek'*
Historically the lighter weights (not necessarily middles.)have tended to fade quicker,but i suppose barry 'bible' tompkinson knows best...
Oh i just remembered didnt leonard face geraldo at middle? There you go,that fight put a 'middleweight' type strain on ray and helped to shorten his career and turn him into a club fighter by the time he met norris.....:rasta
I really dont know whether you believe the stuff you write,or you are gazing at the contents of haglers intestines....
Are you religious as i feel you have a strong belief in the illogical,unproven,delusional and supernatural......?
I think i know now how roy jones felt in the second round against bryan brannont,come on ref,put this guy out of his misery.........:bbb atsch :nono :think :smoke

 

I don't recall Monroe or Watts as welters or light middles. :!:

Hagler actually had a tougher fight with Vito and Roldan than he did with Duran and Leonard so WTF are you talking about? Roldan is the same guy Leonard walked up to before the fight and said "thanks for softening him up for me buddy"

Did I forget to mention Hagler never lost to Hearns like Leonard did?

I think I forgot to mention Hagler never lost to Duran. Why didn't you remind me? :huh

Really, do you believe all the garbage you write? How does leonard suddenly "get old" after you just glorified everything he did in Leonard- Duran 3?

We all saw how well his legs were in perfect working condition. Over the hill fighters do not move non stop for 12 rounds with no sign of fatigue. He didn't even show signs of slowing.

I even caught you in a lie claiming his layoff was 2 years but you turn around and say I twist things around. A typical leonard fanatic who can't face the truth their man lost without the protective management of Dundee and the fact he doesn't know how to handle himself anyone except for tailor made plodders. Which took another 5 years for Hagler to do.

But put him in with the first fighter who can move for 12 rounds himself with reflexes and handspeed and he goes from dominant to dominated. That's why he couldn't get off and the only time he did is in the first round when Terry crowded him along the ropes. He couldn't @#*% to Norris except lie down on the canvas and cower in every corner looking for cover. What a sap!

Barry Tompkins hit it on the head at the start of the Scypion fight complimenting Hagler on retaining his elite skills, skills that Leonard wanted no part of, as Hagler hit the age of 30.

I listen to much of what Tompkins and Merchant say because they're historians like myself.

Clancy and Ryan were good too because they were often very accurate with their assessment of fighters.

Gil's assessment of Hearns was on target about the 145 he came in at and how it affected his endurance. That turned out to be true because as we all know he was well ahead when he suddenly gave out.

And then there's the commentary from Ryan during round 6 noting Leonard's comments

Quote: "ray said Marvin lost a lot of speed and was counting on the slowness of Hagler"

Let's see how you twist that around.

It's good you're making friends with John Thomas. He's cheering for you because he knows you'll be needing in your time of crisis.

 

Leonard never lost to hearns,he beat duran in the rematch and the rubber.....I think you failed to see some of my tongue in cheek comments......
You think the leonard and duran fights werent tough or competitive? WOW,especially since he lost the former...Why did marvin allow a lightweight to go 15 tough rounds with him? (im just playing devils advocate,duran was one of the truely great fighters at several weights,i just want to see your thought processes on this one.)
Also you seem to be overlooking a crucial fact (or three!) in that its not normal for a welter to challenge an atg 13 pounds heavier just like that,especially when you have an eye injury and loads of inactivity.....But finally ray did it and shocked the world.....
I respect marvin immensely,arguablyy the best middle of all time and definately near the very top of the pile....However,it is allowed to like other fighters who incidentally beat him,its also within the marquees of queensbury rules to respect,rate and to give atg staus to BOTH marvin hagler and ray leonard.......And thats by resume,film and the opinions of unbiased folks.....

 

And I'm just warming up!

 

I notice you run like hell from my exposure, ignorance is still bliss.

Ok, well on the above

Leonard's top 3 "competitors" were Duran, Hearns and Benitez. Lets see you name Sibson's top 3 so we can see for ourselves why Sibbo is given a leave pass at the age of 30 and Leonard isn't.

 

You're like the old faded warrior who just doesn't know when to give up hahaha

:!: *Cut me, Mick* <------- Rooster

 

I was just warming up but enquirer cut out after 1 day like the rest. Wimp.