In so far as previous discussions with you, I’ve been vindicated time and again, 100%. Real world stuff. You appear to have deep seated, non-boxing related issues with SRL - leading you to make completely irrational statements and illogical conclusions. I like Pea, great fighter. Accented on D, he was a relative minimalist as compared to Ray in terms of offence. He will cause Ray to miss at times, ala Benitez, but then Ray will also connect at least in equal proportion to the misses - Ray’s hands will be very busy pushing Pernell to defend that much more and punch even less. For as long as it lasts it would be an awesome scientific display from two of the best but prime SRL had it all, the complete package - speed, chin, stamina, punch, IQ and in this case, natural size advantage - simply too much Ray. Loudoun actually charitably stated that you have sufficient knowledge to potentially engage in a great debate - are you suggesting that statement to be false? The cocks crow is fast approaching - again, are you the artist formerly known as Red Rooster? Come clean Foghorn otherwise it’s impossible for you to credibly call anyone else out as being false.
I only go by who Burt Sugar has ranked as the greatest of the fighters who fight as goofy leftists. And Bert Sugar. Be honest, did you notice the first spelling? Did you? Are you that on-the-ball? Are you? Are you, really?
6/7 years ago? Try 17 years ago, minimum. Here's one of his threads from 2007 https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/ana-yzing-leonard-hearns-1.223/
what a ridiculous post! First off, Inventing a lie to help out another liar, does not lead to the truth and you will only be exposed for the liar you are Next, your claim that Louden "charitably paid me a compliment" - obviously a trap and as false as the claims Louden makes I'm not going to go along with you and Louden's lies just so I can appease a couple of nobodies Then there's this hyperbole LOL! talk about sensationalism "prime SRL had it all, the complete package - speed, chin, stamina, punch, IQ and in this case, natural size advantage - simply too much Ray. " Well to that I say look what happened when "Too much Ray" met up with "too much Terry Norris"! "Wilfred Benitez" give me a break! Pernell is in the top three southpaws of all time and though we can all agree that his performance in the first title fight was horrible, I see that it didnt take long before Pernell became the master of all And we can all agree that "too much Pernell" will be too much for "too much Ray"
Ridiculous? Ah, I get you. Ridiculously sane and logical. Obviously a trap? That reads as more than paranoid. Break out the tin foil hat. Dodged the Rooster question again I see - opportunity to gain a modicum of cred and you blew it. Norris basically said Ray wasn’t as good even BEFORE they fought. You were provided the evidence of same and you LIED bare faced stating that it wasn’t presented and that I had made it up. During the call of Leonard v Norris, Pacheco correctly identified the marked deteriorations in Ray’s game. You’re Robinson Crusoe on this - maybe grab a basketball, draw a smiley face on it and call it Wilson - he’ll listen compliantly to these inanities without answering back. Then again, even Wilson might get fed up too and roll away, off a Cliff into the ocean. Wilson!!! TOO MUCH RAY. YES! Definitely too much Ray for you and your circuitry to handle.
Did you mean this literally? Are you saying he beats heavyweights, etc? I didn't understand your last response.
"Too much Ray" what the hell does that mean? Is the fact that you dont know how to explain yourself and must fall back on repeating yourself, supposed to impress me? This is a very typical juvenile approach one would expect from a ten year old but this does not impress me, nor do your excuses for your man losing, nor do your personal accusations This kind of hostility no doubt due to the fact that two liars got caught and shrank back once they were called out to prove their claim I guess that leaves just one liar Take another look at what you wrote "prime SRL had it all, the complete package - speed, chin, stamina, punch, IQ and in this case, natural size advantage - simply too much Ray. " Such an emotional plea tells us forumers nothing. I said it before, I want to know HOW he would reach Pernell Simply stating "Ray was too big", my neighbor's five year old could do as much. This is a very LAZY and unimaginative approach. Let's try to put forth a little effort, please! IQ? your lack of analysis tells me you have none yourself. How would identify what ring IQ is? Go back and think over what I've told you, this constructive criticism. Learn from it and hopefully you will improve in the future and maybe one day you will even start to become a more valuable contributor to the forum Good luck
No, just people at or near his weight He did have one bout with Jackson in which he lost He was doing fine but to his credit, Julian, a MASSIVE puncher, cornered Terry and launched a terrific right hand that separated him from consciousness I dont however, believe McCallum was the same kind of heavy hitter I believe Mike vs Terry would have made for an interesting match. A tossup in my view.
Too much Ray, what does it mean? It was duly prefaced. AND, You repeated me, equal but opposite - - “Too much Pernell” - LOL, you’re an absolute embarrassment, aren’t you? The words you put in quotation marks AS IF to quote me - they were NOT my words nor did I only address Leonard’s size advantage as you implied. That makes you a LIAR yet again. And, when REAL quotes are put to you - like those of Norris - you LIE about those also. Not much hope for you. Though your feathers are clearly ruffled and you’re crowing extra loud, you still can’t even admit to being the BS Artist formerly known as Red Rooster - talk about a fractured ego, self loathing and apparent MPD issues - you really are “the whole package” - but obviously not in the same positive, ATG way SRL was - TOO much Ray…. I know you’re too dumb to answer this but what am I lying about? Wow man, and I see this irrational denigration of Leonard and over inflation of Norris goes all the way back to at least 2007 - that’s a psychosis with some heavy duty legs on it. None too healthy. This forum isn’t the place to “work out” your myriad non boxing related issues. You’d think that was obvious after, what, 17 years! Hahaha!
Can I give you a bit of advice @Pugguy. I don't want to seem like I'm a higher authority, because I've only been on this forum a few months. But honestly I wouldn't waste anymore time on this topic, going back and forth. This person who is apparently some troll from years ago according to @JohnThomas1 and @Loudon. Who has an unhealthy obsession with Terry Norris and discrediting Leonard. I did see another topic from this poster, which went on like 20+ pages of the same weird obsession discrediting Sugar Ray Leonard. Honestly do yourself a favour @Pugguy just put this person on ignore and move on. Your save yourself alot of time and frustration, really isn't worth the time or effort. If this person has been doing this for 17 years, clearly there is some issues there. And this person is never going to change or alter this weird obsession. I just did myself a favour and put this poster on ignore I suggest you do the same.
I appreciate your post but it’s all good - been there, done that and I’ve engaged MD before. Of course everyone can option themselves as they wish. No frustration or personal investment otherwise. Takes little time to respond, put him straight - like shooting fish in a barrel. He knows it. LOL. Anyway, good to have you on the forum.
Yeah RIGHT! Look at what you just wrote You put me on IGNORE, then you do research on a guy you put on ignore? Then come back yet again instead of leaving it alone ANOTHER LIAR EXPOSED!!! Is it any wonder, this group is branded as a bunch of disingenuous liars, sort of a loser's support group, one poster jumping in to help their fellow poster once they recognize the need A LOSER'S SUPPORT GROUP! Too intimidated to directly engage me "do yourself a favor and put this person on ignore and in the meantime, I'll do some research on the guy and use whatever info I can throw at him because I'm really scared to come out in the open and be up front with my true intentions" If you have something to tell me, stop hiding behind PugGuy. and dont hold grudges, its bad for your health