standing 8

absolutely, with the current rules a fighter can trap someone on the ropes, preventing him from hitting the canvas, to force a stoppage. corrales-castillo 1 is a good example here.

 

I'm against any stoppage other than a 10-count ko. TKOs involving referees and corners actually hurt the sport by adding to its inconsistency, subjectivity and lack of standards. Believe it or not, forcing fighters to take a count on their knee or literally getting knocked unconscious is more humane in the long run. If guys see each other taking way too much punishment and jeopardizing their health, it will serve as a deterrent and cool down some of the senseless macho bravado some guys have in hopeless losing efforts. Conceding defeat by taking a count when you are hurt and clearly unable to win could become less stigmatized - which is a good thing. The boxing community is way too quick to demonize 'quitters' unconditionally and with merciless disregard for context, yet turns around and criticizes refs, doctors and corners for not stopping one-sided massacres - when there is no clearly defined set of objective standards. Just one more stupid hypocrisy holding the sport back.

 

Standing 8's are gay,


Ive had 2 amateur bouts and i hate standing 8's, i got hit flushed and i wont lie it wobble me but i wasnt going down, damn ref gave me an 8 count, just one punch only one punch and teh ref gave me an 8 count, and it was pretty much every bout there too, they give 8 counts like there government cheese, i know amateur rules are different but 8 counts are still gay

 

I am not a fan of the standing eight count. If a fighter gets up too early, that's his problem. Anyway, it's never "eight" is it? After the ref gets to eight, he has a proper look at his eyes, has a bit of a chat, wipes his gloves, makes sure the two fighters are properly separated, only then do they carry on.

 

that's a problem for sure, but i'd rather deal with that then fights that end too soon.

 

Agreed. This is exactly why I favor the standing eight. IMO, it is one of the better rules innovations over the last several decades.

 

I voted yes but only if it is used to avoid a quick stoppage and let a fighter to regroup.

 

Yea your right, definately should have let Levander Johnson keep fighting so we could have seen a death in the ring....

 

good post I agree, standing 8, 10, 15 s**t dont make a difference. If yo ass is seeing stars you are seeing stars. If the fighter tries to get up to early and signals to the ref if hes good then let him go. We will see in the next couple of seconds if he is good to continueor not. So dont make a difference really. But I personally like the standign 8 count for the reasons Calabrese gave

 

A Standing 8 count is Bull****. Most of these guys just refuse to take a knee, if they're in troublel. And some fighter actually try to get their opponent on the ropes to do damage. A Standing 8 would only hinder certain guys from following through with their game-plan & some of these Refs would end up saving some of these guys from an ass-whooping by stopping the fight to give the Standing 8 count.

I for one am actually glad this is gone.

 

I hate the standing 8. You're talking about something that is almost impossible to enforce effectively. You see the difficulties we have already asking the refs to stop a fight at the proper time, and with a Standing 8, you force them to manage some other aspect of the fight than cannot be done consistently.

It's fine the way it is now. Better to have an early stoppage like this weekend's and an eventual rematch, than to prolong a beating and ruin someone's career and life.

 

You missed the point of the post. Things like that will serve as deterrents and prevent similar situations from happening. Fighters will say "look at how this guy ended up" - if you leave it up to the mercy of people's handlers (who may or may not have their guys' best interests at heart) or potentially incompetent doctors or officials swept up in the moment and the emotion of the fight; you invite the opportunity for guys to take too much punishment. If you close all those doors and leave it up to the individual fighter's mind or body - then yes, you will have a few occasional tragic circumstances, but those tragedies won't be in vain if they are learned from. Let the lesson be that continuing to fight when you are clearly losing badly and absorbing punishment is dangerous - make it a matter of personal responsibility for the fighter to prioritize their health and their family over public perception of their bravado. It's the same reason people push for showing blood and having absolute, irreversible fatalities in cartoon violence. Show that actions have real consequences.