Stanley Ketchel vs. Jermain Taylor

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  1. cross_trainer

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    Thoughts?
     
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  2. McGrain

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    stfu
     
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  3. mcvey

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    Thus speaks our Uk doyen of the Boxing scene,Harry Mullan would never have said that.:nono
     
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  4. McGrain

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    **** him too :twisted:
     
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  5. cross_trainer

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    :hey
     
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    Pavlik, Froch, Abraham.

    Do we see a patern forming?
     
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  7. mcvey

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    Lets see,Taylor faded badly in 12 rounders. Ketchel knocked out men after 32 rds ,20 rds etc.

    Ketchel had 48 kos in 51 wins.

    I think I'll take a wild gamble that Stan kos Taylor,silly I know ,but "who dares wins".
     
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  8. cross_trainer

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    Would your answer change if Ketchel is not permitted to use his wrestling tactics under something approaching modern rules? How do you believe that modern gloves would change the equation, if at all?
     
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  9. mcvey

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    I don't think much of Taylor, tbh ,I see no way he survives Ketchel what is the distance?
     
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  10. Vic-JofreBRASIL

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    Well.......
     
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  11. McGrain

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    Ketchel wasn't much of a wrestler. He used the clinch when he was hurt or when he felt something he didn't like and used his head rather freely against Papke as he always did against Papke but that was it really.

    The only MW footage we have shows the referee seperating he and Papke over and over again within a few seconds.

    Ketchel had huge power and his defence was mainly to do with footwork and positioning. I don't see how a change of gloves or referee would affect him a great deal at all. I suppose he might catch a warning for clinching of Taylor managed to get out of the fourth or fifth, which doesn't seem at all likely.
     
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  12. cross_trainer

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    15 rounds.
     
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  13. cross_trainer

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    Ketchel footage, for those who haven't seen it yet:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcq-Sy05C-8[/ame]
     
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  14. cross_trainer

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    Ketchel wasn't much of a wrestler by the standards of his day, but his fight against Papke shows that he'd been doing a lot of training in it nonetheless. He was certainly better at stand-up grappling than his modern counterparts.

    The gloves probably wouldn't impact his power that much, but I generally think that the smaller gloves required different defensive methods, made combination punching more difficult, and dictated a greater range. This is why Tommy Burns, for instance, fights as much like a point-sparring karate competitor as a modern boxer.
     
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  15. McGrain

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    Yeah, but that is only a good thing. He will do better up close. Then the referee will pull them apart, within 5-10 seconds. This is exactly what he is used to.

    Hence my point concerning Ketchel's very definite defensive methods.

    Really, he translates about as well as any fighter could.
     
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