Stanley Ketchel vs. Marvin Hagler

Put the Bag Pipes down Suzie.... :yep

 

Great points. I am glad I am not the only one who sees this, and that film right there is not even close to Stanleys best stuff. So he must have been one hell of a fighter. I think another thing that Ketchel gets underrated is his handspeed. Ketchel had very quick hands and his right hand was sneaky and cagey like schmeling like....It made him quite the complete finisher. The man has a very respectable knockout record for a reason.

 

Flamengo,

I guess you just do not have that keen eye for boxing. Stanley Ketchel was a Great fighter.

 

I think that if you actually closely watch the available film you'll see he's not the crude skill-less bomber many people make him out to be. Not saying he's like a MW Willie Pep, but for his style and era he had skill and an abundance of natural talent. And these fights are supposed to be some of his weaker showings.

thirty-two even

 

....and Haglars a far superior BOXER with infinite levels of skill above Ketchel...... "Oh.. but Stanley fought Jack Johnson"... Dont even bother.

 

I think Ketchel is as durable or even more so than Hagler and he hit harder, plus in a match-up Ketchel would be the aggressor and would likely be more actively persueing the KO.

 

Im not sure on this one. Id probably take Hagler to outbox him but Ketchel could punch. Check out Papke's man-thong in the clip :rofl.

 

So let's get this straight SQ: You have determined all these outstanding skills of Ketchels without the same film we formed our opinions on ? What a crock.

Ketchel is a classic example of a guy who's style was dated . Of course he was great in his day and had physical skills but based on what we see, please. Against Johnson Ketchel did not even have a clue on how to avoid a jab. Johnson toyed with him and still could not miss whenever he threw it. What do you think Hagler would do?

Hagler excelled against that style. Hagler was extremely fast, razor sharp, had killer power of his own and a cast iron chin. Hagler would chop him up and it would be nasty. In a street fight, that might be a different story.

 

I was talking about a fast but wider punching wrestling brawler against a compact sharp puncher. I'm sure Ketchel wrestles Hagler a load here and brings a load of pressure. However I'm also sure Hagler picks him apart. Since when was Mayweather running against Hatton?

 

Well said. There is not a single element of Ketchels style that would give me any inclination to believe he'd last into the second round against Haglar. Ketchels finest qualities were grit and a right hand that flattened fighters with little or no defense what so ever. The style was suited to the game of the day... walk in and throw a bomb, clinch and wrestle, hold and do it all again. Ketchels defense went 'around da house'.. In the footage Papke/Ketchel.. I'd suggest no more than 2 rounds of sparring would have been included in the training.. neither man had any range.. lunging from 4 foot away.. Ketchels limited footwork was barely able to keep his arse from hitting the ground after the lunges. Should he miss the target, he'd be flat on his face.

Fine, he's a HOFer.. He was M/W champ.. He has a great KO record..

Sterling Moss drove to a F1 title in a iron chunk of trash in compariso to todays vehicles..

Training technique in fighters is no different to advancements in cars as a comparison. Ketchel had 3 wheels in respect to Haglar. I cant even suggest that a comparison should be made.. The chance of Ketchel lasting more than 40 seconds with the W/W Hearns is nil.

A keen eye for boxing Suzie Q???? I didnt see any glimpses of what we call boxing in either film.. Unskilled, rough house brawling is all. No technique, combinations, defense or executed game plan...

Save the arguements.. its embarrassing to yourselves.

 

I believe there were some remarkable skillful boxers back in Ketchel's time. But I dont think he was one of them.

I cannot really form an opinion on how he does against Hagler because there's not enough footage of Ketchel. As others have noted, there's far too much holding and wrestling in that Papke footage. I notice that Ketchel goes AGES without throwing a straight left, as if he wants Papke to come in and wrestle with him.

 

We have seen this proposed match allready.





HAGLER V ROLDAN.



Only joking Suzie

 

Just because someones a brawler with lesser skills doesn't mean they won't make a fight of it, just look at Lamotta and Ricky Hatton, they were competitive with the best but lesser technique saw them got picked apart

 

Skillwise, LaMotta and Hatton are lightyears ahead of Stanley. I do understand and appreciate what you are saying PP, Im simply implying that Ketchel did not have any technique that would trouble Marvin.

Put it this way.... can you take anything from the Ketchel footage and legitimately impliment it into the modern game.. with effectiveness?? Would you let Ketchel train your children? Teach them the finer points of the game?? I'd suggest not. I hugged my ex g/f less than he hugged Papke... lol.

 

hagler usues his boxing skills to win a wide ud ,ketchel punches hard and is durable ,but hagler gives him a boxing lesson