Stanley Ketchel vs. Marvin Hagler

I bet you'd hug her more if she wore that thong !

 

Nah.... I had to take her to work with me every day... she was too ugly to kiss good-bye in the morning.

 

Maybe she was Papke.

 

Hagler by TKO.

too much power, too much aggression.

 

It's comparing apples and oranges...BUT nobody is talking about putting ol' Steve in a ring with a modern referee intervening every 5 seconds. I'll maintain that under a ruleset of his era, Ketchel is very hard to deal with for anybody. With a referee from his era Ketchel could beat Hagler. Modern rules? With no prolonged infighting? Hagler's ability from the outside takes him to a comfortable decision.

 

Powerpuncher I swear if you comapre Prime Jake Lamotta with Ricky Hatton one more time, I am going to flip out. You sound retarted when you compare the two. No offense. Lamotta's skill level and pysical tools are leagues beyond what hatton is capable of. While Hatton got destroyed by Mayweather and Pacman the best p4p fighter of the era...Jake lamotta BEAT the greatest fighter of all time handing him his first loss. No comparison.

 

Lamotta was only 10x more talented a swarmer than hatton was. Not to mention Lamottas ring Smarts, Chin, Strength, and Workrate were around 5x Hattons capabilities.

 

O wait....you mean the same way you do with Harry Greb? how you have never seen real film of him, yet you talk about his amazing speed/skill bla bla bla how he would give Marciano and Dempsey even fights.


DOUBLE STANDARD

 

Hagler will find it really tough to wrap Ketchel around his jab. Stanley made lovely use of distance and then came down hard on you, big time.

If Hagler wins by decision he is given a tougher argument than either Hearn's or Mugabi gave him.

 

I always feel very confused when watching a clip like this and then reading comments like this from a boxing 'historian'. I've been watching boxing for about 25 years, and honestly, I feel like I've seen more technique in my local pub than in some of these clips. I know many will find that sort of comment blasphemous, but hey, that's what I'm seeing. I guess 25 years ain't enought to understand boxing, but to me it looks like a mismatch with Hagler light years ahead in skill. Back to the drawing board for me I suppose....

 

La motta's ring smarts? :L walking forward and letting the guy punch you in the face is ring smarts!

La motta is one of the morst overrated fighters in history.

 

Oh yeah ketchel who fought with 4 oz gloves a hundred years ago was a big hitter than tommy hearns and mugabi of course :L. Both of these guys techniques are **** and they remind me of two drunk bear throwing one punch and then colliding and hugging.

If either tried that with Hagler they would get nailed by TECHNICALLY SUPERB counter shots.
Hagler late KO or lopsided descision.

 

Nice try SQ, swing and a miss ... Greb is universially know to have been exceptional by his record, comments by his opponents and newspaper coverage from the time. We have a ton of film of the men he did beat as well.

Back to your point, what films are you viewing that show you Ketchel can compete w Hagler ? That he hits harder and could actually knock out a man with one of the most proven chins of the 20th Century? That he had the skills to survive while attempting to do so?

I'm not knocking Stanley who by all accounts was a warrior. However, again, let's not over glamorize the man. For the most part he was crude. Tricky, a bit but crude. He was a fast swinging , hard hitting demon, no doubt. Did he have skills, absolutely. Could he have been trained in more modern methods and excelled today, likely. Could the man who fought Papke have knocked out Marvin Hagler ? A prime, razor sharp Hagler ? No way.

I can see Ketchel having a brawl with the older Hagler who fought a Roldan but I see it ending with similar results. It's not a knock on Stanley. Maybe despite odds he does so against lesser modern champs. Extremely possible, even likely. Just not Hagler.