Stanley Ketchel vs Oscar De La Hoya

Yes, I am of the mind that Ketchell was very primitive, as were the fighters of that era in general. Even a guy like Joe Gans, who looks better on film than Ketchell and Johnson, was primitive by modern standards.

Watching Ketchell, his punching technique is terrible, his stance is unbelievably open to a simple jab, along with an array of punches and combinations. His defense is sorely lacking, as is his technique in general, both offensive and defensive.

As far as the fight reports, of course the reporters of that era considered him great, as that was the state of boxing at the time. The sport does evolve though, although it does have peaks. I just don't believe it peaked 20 or so years after it's conception(Queensbury rules that is). I think that's ludicrous. I'd say around the 30's and 40's it started to become truly modernized, with innovation coming into play as well, as shown with fighters like Pep, Robinson, Gavilan, Burley, etc. After that, it was pretty much the modern era in terms of technique and the quality of the fighters.

There are clear differences in techniques between fighters of what I consider the modern era and guys of the earlier days. I can't see how anyone thinks the sport peaked that quickly, when film clearly suggests otherwise. And Ketchell wasn't known as much more than a big puncher even in his day, and certain points in the film of his fight with Johnson were just embarassing.

Though, I don't take away from fighters of earlier eras based on this, they still rate highly on my P4P lists for what they were in their era.

 

Any stories regarding just how hard Ketchel hit?

Did he really hit THAT hard?

 

Any stories regarding just how hard Ketchel hit?

Did he really hit THAT hard?

 

ketchel was far too big for oscar. ketchel brutal Kayo early. bad thread.......too much size difference. oscar was a lightweight/welterweight.

 

Ruby Rob?

 

BIG DEE HERE= Ketchel would break the blown-up lightweight in half.
DeLaHoya got broke in half and KOed by a Middleweight ( Bernard Hopkins )
who isn`t a patch on Ketchels pants as far as a hitter and a puncher goes.
Hopkins who was never a hard Ko puncher could knockdown Jack Johnson.
HELL NO, and if Ketchel`s overhand right would have landed on Johnson`s chin instead of behind the left ear we would be talking about how great Ketchel was because he KOed Jack Johnson. KETCHEL KO IN 3 TO 6 RDS.

 

I know Hopkins and Sturm are nothin' like Ketchel stylistically, but her's some facts about Oscar against this size-fighter, B-Hop took him out, and every time Sturm touched Oscar his head was snappin' back. Ketchel doesnt have the technique of either most probably, but his power and cutting off the ring are of the best, especially the power as we know. He will stop Oscar

 

Ketchel is one of the hardest punching middleweights of all time, we are talking Jackson McClelan teritory and frankly I question that DLH would have the power to hurt him in a single round even if Ketchels right hand was tied to the ropes.

You make the observation that Ketchel is primitive relative to Joe Gans, and he is but ironicaly his style, that of the swarmer has changed less over the years than that of technical boxers. A swarmer is prety much a swarmer from any era. If all you needed to hurt Ketchel was a good jab then Philadelphia Jack O'Brien would have beaten him.

Ketchel would be verry bad news for anybody smaller than himself.

 

Tho comfortably the more skilled fighter DLH is just too small here.

 

Ketchel Flynn. Flyn tries to controll Ketchel with his jab.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9503E2DA1530E233A2575BC1A9639C946196D6CF

 

Ketche O'Brien round by round

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9C05E2DA153EE733A25754C2A9659C946897D6CF