Stanley Ketchel vs Oscar De La Hoya

Is there footage of O'Brien to back up that he had a very good jab and arsenal? Or just further old timer fight reports?

And a swarmer of that era is not the same as a swarmer of this era, anymore than an all out street fighter is the same as a swarmer of this era, in my opinion. Stamina being the only difference from what I can see based on film.

 

Maybe in time, but I doubt it'd change my outlook.

None of the fighters he faced were anywhere near as skilled as De La Hoya though, with close to as good a jab.

Against those of his era yes, but I don't think such a primitive fighter on film would be as effective in the modern era.

 

I'm supposed to think one of the more primitive and one-dimensional fighters even for his day to have success is going to change my mind on that general time period?

You know as well as I that DLH will not be fighting with a simple jab, and even so, it'd be landing at a ridiculous rate with someone who holds his hands in such terrible position as Ketchell does.

He'd be on the Edison Miranda level, possibly Kelly Pavlik, with modern training in my opinion.

Single punches followed by a clinch isn't the best of the modern arsenal the way I see it.

Noone's disputing that.

 

I've no footage of either of them, so I can't say. I understand from resports of how amazing guys like Johnson, Ketchell, etc are supposed to be, and I hear the same of Griffo, but reports so far aren't exactly telling the whole story.

As far as different rules and styles. They would clinch often, but they would also be broken up, just as in today's game. They had smaller gloves, but what honestly does that have to do with their stance? If I'm fighting someone bareknuckle with my boxing experience, does that mean I need to resport to fighting with my hands at my waist, looking to block with open palms and having my arms out of position for decent countering opportunities? No, it doesn't, I can just as easily block with my arms, though I'll have to rely more on boxing and moving than throwing bombs without gloves.

I think he'd be hurt far before then, and I don't think his wild, lunging swings would be landing clean.

With modern training I said. If taken out of a time capsule from his era, I'd rather not even say.

He showed much better technique than Ketchell and fighters of those eras though, but you could say that, at this stage of his career, I'm not particularly impressed with Hopkins.

Well sure, because his contemporaries were of the same era, and he was one of the best of the time.

 

i saw some of ketchels footage..............and he looked like a joke.

he should be put in the pioneer section of boxing. i dont think you can even remotely compare him to a modern fighter like oscar.

 

Ketchel was way too strong for De La Hoya. Papke hit him a hard shot before they shook hands and Ketchel was dazed the rest of the fight. Johnson was a murderous puncher at that time.