Stanley "The Michigan Assasin" Ketchel vs. Gennady "GGG" Golovkin

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  1. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Ketchel looks great against Papke. For 20 rounds he deals with Papke's inside rushes really well, stepping to the outside and landing body shots. Or making Papke run into his rock solid jab. Ketchel does great in the clinches, keep his chin down and head pressed under Papkes chin, giving him the advantage. He also does really well controlling Papkes momentum to set up punch angles. His agility is crazy for a puncher like him.


    Golovkin vs. Ketchel could be one of the most interesting middleweight wars of all time.
     
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  2. Ted Spoon

    Ted Spoon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Different eras are important to highlight but they are not incompatible for the simple reason that boxing has and will always be about distance and timing, and it's in those split second moments that the fighter's with the best intuition know what to do.

    The last time we saw Golovkin mistakes did not matter. They would here.

    Ugly as it may seem (particularly from the two poor examples of Ketchel remaining), he did have his own, well-schooled method of whipping in shots, even switch-hitting. His power was tremendous and he could keep up this manic style round-after-round. Golovkin may very well win, but then it's not out of the question Stanley lands a howitzer, draws blood and welcomes the street fight.

    Whatever one makes of Ketchel's ring IQ he was ferocious, unorthdox and powerful. Golovkin has yet to face anyone near that quality which is why threads like Golovkin-Hagler have no sound basis to go in his favour.
     
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  3. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Good post. And yes, Golovkins limits are not quite clear yet.

    Ketchel had very good ring IQ. Anyone who says it's bad is confused.
     
  4. Reason123

    Reason123 Not here for the science fiction. Full Member

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    I'd say it depends on how many rounds it goes. If it's a finish fight I'd favor Ketchel. If just 12 rounds I'd favor GGG by wide UD.
     
  5. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He is also completely unproven in a tough fight.
     
  6. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ketchel was a coarse boxer but a relentless fighter. Whether or not this translates as ring IQ is debatable but what many wouldn't disagree with is that he was a truly savage puncher, who knew how to find his mark.

    I can't see, at this point, that Golovkin would be the man to take the gameness out of Ketchel. Moreover, Golovkin is not a defensive genius and, in many respects, could well play into Ketchel's strengths as a pure scrapper.
     
  7. McGrain

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    Ketchel was more keen on the "smothering style" than Papke was. He was the fighter with the wider swings; Papke was considered to be the technically surer of the two.
     
  8. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    He may have been more technically sound, but Papke was doing the smothering this fight. Constantly making it an inside fight, and constantly getting into clinches to avoid Stanleys big punches.

    Papke was definitely more technical against Carpentier. I think his swarming style against Ketchel was a defense mechanism.
     
  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    And the third fight. This was Ketchel's solution. As always, in a long series, it's the guys that can make the best adjustments that win the day.

    The first fight was the key though. Ketchel boxed more than expected and Papke got thrashed. In the second fight, he uncorked the uppercut and a supposedly short right-hand that changed the dynamic. Ketchel added this step away to counter one or both of those punches.

    I also think Ketchel was the more skilled. Papke was just the technically superior puncher, for the most part. By that I mean he swung wide less, he punched straighter. Papke was, if anything, more lunatic. In short, Ketchel had more dimensions but was also more open, more slashing.

    It was more an effort to fill the gap that Ketchel was leaving. He didn't trust it all, I don't, to be honest, think he really understood its effectiveness. He made the first adjustment that mattered but couldn't make the second.
     
  10. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Yes, but is he better at winning?
     
  11. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Then it is a good thing that this wouldn't be a tough fight for him.
     
  12. Nighttrain

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    The stuff is starting to drive me crazy so perhaps I should just stay out of it ,but how do we know what Ketchel would do against a modern style since he never faced it. Isn't it likely that he would be able to adapt?
     
  13. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Might be able to adapt eventually, with years of training, but as is I think Golovkin is all wrong for him (based on what I've read about his style and the little I've seen of him). I see him getting eaten alive from distance while trying in vain to work his way inside.
     
  14. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

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    Then there is the question about which way our tImemachine goes. Are using current rules with neutral corners etcetera? How often are they fighting leading up to the bout?
     
  15. Eastpaw

    Eastpaw Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What? You're crazy! You can't tell me that Ketchel doesn't look a little too primitive for golovkin