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cuchulain · Apr 23, 2023

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The doctor has spoken.

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So yes, it WAS a liver shot, the same kind of hurt that stopped Virgil Hill, Ron Lyle, Oscar and a host of others.
Garcia was not the first, nor won't be the last, to fall victim to this under-rated weapon...the perfect liver shot.

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African Cobra · Apr 23, 2023

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Olu, Floyd's fans lavished praise on Floyd all throughout his career for facing bigger men and cited it as an example of his greatness. And yes, he did face bigger or much bigger men and I afford him extra credit for doing so as did all his fans. But even so bizarrely the rules change when it comes to Loma and we see a very different energy from them when it comes to him when he is not only routinely doing the same but doing so on the road, in his opponent's backyards, and in complete contrast to Floyd who has a massive 72'' reach, doing so with a tiny T-Rex 65.5'' reach

The only time we hear a peep about them regarding size when it comes to Loma is Rigo who they literally begged Loma to face and picked to destroy or beat Loma. Not a peep our of them regarding the many times Loma has fought opponents where the size difference between him and them is the same, bigger or much bigger than it was between him and Rigo.

And Floyd was very rarely at a reach disadvantage, let alone a significant or huge one. Loma has very rarely had a reach advantage and is routinely facing opponents with significant or huge ones on him. Floyd, as great as he was, did often struggled when he fought opponents with a similar or longer reach than his.

Floyd, like Loma, is the antithesis of a weight bully. Hence why you'll never hear me accuse him of being one.

The rules also completely change when it comes to the criteria regarding number of world champions fought which was also something Floyd's fans cited all the time when trying to illustrate his greatness

Loma is fighting his 12th world champion in just 20 fights next which is an absolutely insane statistic, one which I don't believe any other fighter in history has ever done before albeit I could wrong. And half of them were/are prime world champions at 135 ie. his third and weakest weight and are all close to 2, 2 or 3 divisions heavier than him and most have huge reach advantages on him too. Not ones way smaller, shot or dragged up in weight.

Floyd also struggled against slickness.

Loma is fighting someone in his next fight who is not only three divisions heavier than him and has a near six inch reach advantage on him but he's fighting a slickster who's at least three divisions heavier than him, has a near six inch reach advantage on him, in their country with a home ref and three home judges, a country where he's already been royally screwed by the ref and judges twice. Floyd has never done this once in 50 fights

And you're conveniently forgetting that Floyd, as with numerous other multi-weight champs, fought some of these much naturally bigger men at catchweights and tried to slap a rehydration clause on one of them too.

And many of these multiple weight champs had to jack themselves silly with PEDs to help them bridge the gap to campaign at higher weights against bigger men and there's a lot of red flags and controversy surrounding Floyd and numerous members of his gym regarding that.

Loma has never done any of these things. Not once. And in complete contrast he's fighting on the road or in his opponent's backyards without a single home country official in any of his fights. Not one.

You guys act like Goliath is the one who deserves all the praise for fighting David, whereas, at the sake of coming across as sane, I see it the other way round and natural welterweight massive weight bullies beating up on blown up 126, 130 or average-sized 135 pounders, natural welterweights who have never even fought a single world champion close to their size, is proof of their greatness and worthy of a lofty P4P ranking at the expence of fighters who've done so many many times against world champions their own size, bigger or way bigger.

Loma is old, very old for a leprechaun-sized fighter, has a ton of mileage and wear and tear on his body, and the size difference is obscene. He looked a shadow of his former self last time out and years of experience has taught me that old past prime fighters, especially ones that size, not only generally do not look the same as they did in their previous fight when they've fallen over the other side but they in fact look even worse.
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I don’t think you answered as to who will win between Haney and Loma. Honestly Loma has been so good that I actually don’t notice natural size difference in many of his fights. I do think he losses are fair and square though. I think he was intimidated by Teofimo Lopez’s power.

Serge · Apr 23, 2023

Olu G. Rotimi said: ↑

I don’t think you answered as to who will win between Haney and Loma. Honestly Loma has been so good that I actually don’t notice natural size difference in many of his fights. I do think he losses are fair and square though. I think he was intimidated by Teofimo Lopez’s power.
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I just told you. Loma is old and past his prime and he looked a pale shadow of his former self in his last fight and I'm not expecting him to look better next time out and if he somehow manages to turn back the clock there's a very high chance the ref/home judges will rob him just like they did against Salido, GRJ which was inexplicably scored a draw by one judge, and against Teofimo when he lost 119-109 on one card even though he swept the vast majority of rounds in the second half of the fight.

I don't even rate Haney that highly. Don't get me wrong, he's a good, skilled fighter who knows how to use his size and length against all these old men, leprechauns or old leprechauns he's fighting and then hug them to death with his ''skills'' when they do manage to close the distance. But most of his success is due to him being a massive weight bully welterweight beating up on blown up 126, 130 and average-sized 135 pounders who cannot deal with boxers their own size and old men. Shakur and Twink impress me much more.

African Cobra · Apr 23, 2023

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I just told you. Loma is old and past his prime and he looked a pale shadow of his former self in his last fight and I'm not expecting him to look better next time out and if he somehow manages to turn back the clock there's a very high chance the ref/home judges will rob him just like they did against Salido, GRJ which was inexplicably scored a draw by one judge, and against Teofimo when he lost 119-109 on one card even though he swept the vast majority of rounds in the second half of the fight.

I don't even rate Haney that highly. Don't get me wrong, he's a good, skilled fighter who knows how to use his size and length against all these old men, leprechauns or old leprechauns he's fighting and then hug them to death with his ''skills'' when they do manage to close the distance. But most of his success is due to him being a massive weight bully welterweight beating up on blown up 126, 130 and average-sized 135 pounders who cannot deal with boxers their own size and old men. Shakur and Twink impress me much more.
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Sometimes the judges get it wrong but I don’t think the issue is home cooking more incompetence. Yesterday all 3 judges failed to score round 2, 10-8 to Tank. One had it a draw the other 2 had it 10-9 to Tank. Imagine if it had been a close fight that came down to that round as the d3ciding factor! One thing I do know though is that a genuinely great fighter which I believe Loma is, is capable of rediscovering themselves on any given night. If he or Haney wins it will be down to their ability not age in my opinion.

Serge · Apr 23, 2023

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Sometimes the judges get it wrong but I don’t think the issue is home cooking more incompetence. Yesterday all 3 judges failed to score round 2, 10-8 to Tank. One had it a draw the other 2 had it 10-9 to Tank. Imagine if it had been a close fight that came down to that round as the d3ciding factor! One thing I do know though is that a genuinely great fighter which I believe Loma is, is capable of rediscovering themselves on any given night. If he or Haney wins it will be down to their ability not age in my opinion.
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It's clearly corruption most of the time and it ever so conveniently flows in the direction of the home fighter or A side, Olu.

That's out of order but the ref was letting Twink stiff-arm all night. I've honestly never seen a fighter stiff-arm that much and even though it was flagrant as hell the ref didn't give him a single warning for it even though he knows damn well it's against the rules.

Haney is not remotely as skilled as Loma. As said, he's good and skilled but Loma is a magician and one of the most skillful fighters in the history of the sport. Haney's skills aren't even proven against opponents close to his size, let alone ones who are bigger, much bigger or way bigger.

If Loma was remotely close to his size even this version would easily beat him, never mind a prime version or if he was bigger or much bigger than him. If Loma weighed one weight class more than him he would absolutely destroy him.

The Professor · Apr 23, 2023

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My bad, I thought you were calling the Davis fight. Duh!
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It was a decent score for the Garcia-Saludo fight however! Both this fight and Davis-Garcia were very easy fights to score.

IntentionalButt · Apr 23, 2023

Pros' opinions to counteract some of the chronically online Joe Schmoes':

"Love seeing all these boxing experts talking about how that hit wasn’t that bad "
- Joey Dawejko

"Art Bayless former cruiserweight champ stopped me with similar shot. They take yr legs out."
- Lou Turchiarelli

"Perfectly placed it don't have to be thrown hard"
- Derrick Webster

"I assure you it was that bad lol. Jerry Forrest hit me with a body shot. So bad made me start rethinking some ****"
- Rich Carmack

"Garcia didn’t quit. He tried to ride out the body shot & his body gave way. Could tell from when his body lifted up that he was done, 5 seconds before he went down"
- Sunny Edwards

"easy to judge from the couch, I remember Luke Campbell done it against Garcia and he woulda got up if he could but sometimes the air not in your lungs you can’t recover"
- Anthony Fowler

"Everyone I’m seeing whom said Garcia should have risen have never taken a jab to the body let alone a full fledged liver shot"
- Alex Arthur

"If you’ve never felt a liver shot, you can’t relate."
- Mykal Fox

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- Chris Algieri

In the interest of being fair & balanced, however, the following pros have all expressed the viewpoint that García in their eyes could have beaten the count and chose to not:

Keyshawn Davis
Shawn Porter
Tony Harrison
Paulie Malignaggi
Ishé Smith

Jackman65 · Apr 23, 2023

Congrats to Tank. He was the better fighter and exposed Garcia as a pretty boy social media fighter. That liver shot was well placed. Garcia fought a dumb fight, ignored corner instructions and was undisciplined. Maybe he knew the weight drain was going to ruin his chances of sustaining power in late rounds but it was obvious early that he did not have the skill to beat an opponent with Davis’ skills.

It was a hard one for me to call because I don’t like either guy. Garcia is a hypejob who was exposed. I never liked his fake confidence and immaturity. I also do y like the hype behind Davis, a guy who doesn’t even hold a real belt at 135. Looking forward to seeing him against the best in the division.

After tonight’s fight, I think Cruz beats Garcia. Lucky for him he avoided that fight because he would have missed this payday. Not sure he has a future in the sport because he doesn’t have elite skills. He can beat bums but eventually he has to fight another good opponent and I don’t think he beats top guys at this stage. He needs to fight more often and improve a lot. Too big to make 135 and not close to being ready to challenge top guys at 140. We could see him fighting those YouTube guys at some point.

African Cobra · Apr 23, 2023

IntentionalButt said: ↑

Pros' opinions to counteract some of the chronically online Joe Schmoes':

"Love seeing all these boxing experts talking about how that hit wasn’t that bad "
- Joey Dawejko

"Art Bayless former cruiserweight champ stopped me with similar shot. They take yr legs out."
- Lou Turchiarelli

"Perfectly placed it don't have to be thrown hard"
- Derrick Webster

"I assure you it was that bad lol. Jerry Forrest hit me with a body shot. So bad made me start rethinking some ****"
- Rich Carmack

"Garcia didn’t quit. He tried to ride out the body shot & his body gave way. Could tell from when his body lifted up that he was done, 5 seconds before he went down"
- Sunny Edwards

"easy to judge from the couch, I remember Luke Campbell done it against Garcia and he woulda got up if he could but sometimes the air not in your lungs you can’t recover"
- Anthony Fowler

"Everyone I’m seeing whom said Garcia should have risen have never taken a jab to the body let alone a full fledged liver shot"
- Alex Arthur

"If you’ve never felt a liver shot, you can’t relate."
- Mykal Fox

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- Chris Algieri

In the interest of being fair & balanced, however, the following pros have all expressed the viewpoint that García in their eyes could have beaten the count and chose to not:

Keyshawn Davis
Shawn Porter
Tony Harrison
Paulie Malignaggi
Ishé Smith
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Personally I would give Garcia the benefit of the doubt but even his former stable mate Andy Ruiz Jr does not believe Garcia. Anyway let’s move on because it’s all a bit unpalatable.

JacK Rauber · Apr 23, 2023

Serge said: ↑

I've noticed countless Haney fans suddenly and very conveniently starting to big Loma up now he's old and past his best, and more importantly is fighting Haney next. This is after spending his entire career hating on him with a genuinely disturbing and completely unwarranted vengeance and dismissing him as a ''hype job'' (and I mean even when he was in his glorious prime) who has ''never fought anyone '' whilst simultaneously hyping the living poop out of some of the biggest hype jobs in the sport. And people wonder why some of us take issue with this and throw rocks back over the fence?

They also frothed at the mouths like rabid dogs about him being ranked P4P even though it was on merit and those they predictably thought deserved to be ranked in place of him categorically didn't

And they've have spent the last few years blowing a gasket at the fact he's still ranked in the P4P top 10 which they categorically do not think he belongs there so it's amusing they think they can get away with this transparent BS.

FTW, I'm not accusing you of being one of them.

And yes he is or rather was phenomenal.
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Without question, Loma was one of the best fighters I have ever seen. In his prime in the proper weight division, no one beats him. His greatest nemesis was his ego. He had no business fighting above 130.

Wizbit1013 · Apr 23, 2023

Credit to Davies

He won clearly last night and decisively against another good fighter

vast · Apr 23, 2023

Serge said: ↑

It's clearly corruption most of the time and it ever so conveniently flows in the direction of the home fighter or A side, Olu.

That's out of order but the ref was letting Twink stiff-arm all night. I've honestly never seen a fighter stiff-arm that much and even though it was flagrant as hell the ref didn't give him a single warning for it even though he knows damn well it's against the rules.

Haney is not remotely as skilled as Loma. As said, he's good and skilled but Loma is a magician and one of the most skillful fighters in the history of the sport. Haney's skills aren't even proven against opponents close to his size, let alone ones who are bigger, much bigger or way bigger.

If Loma was remotely close to his size even this version would easily beat him, never mind a prime version or if he was bigger or much bigger than him. If Loma weighed one weight class more than him he would absolutely destroy him.
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Loma was never quite given the accolades he deserved. Especially after he moved up and started fighting bigger fighters.

Serge · Apr 23, 2023

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Loma was never quite given the accolades he deserved. Especially after he moved up and started fighting bigger fighters.
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Yeah it's ridiculous the hate he gets.

CST80 · Apr 23, 2023

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African Cobra · Apr 24, 2023

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Yeah it's ridiculous the hate he gets.
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Not sure that is 100% accurate. I think the real issue is the extremes on both sides of the argument. Yes as you know I believe him to be an unbelievable generational though he was beatable at certain points. The hatred some have for him should be viewed as a compliment that he is so good. All the greats seem to be hated. Look at the irrational hatred Floyd gets. Maybe it’s a reflection of the times we live in. I picked Teofimo to beat him and I was in the minority opinion. It was not because Teofimo is the better fighter or will be in all time great rankings but rather because I perceived a stylistic problem for Loma which played out. Yes Loma has been a magical fighter and maybe he still is. If I were Haney I won’t be sleeping on Loma that’s for sure.

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