Starting To Think Lennox Lewis Is The Most Complete and Best Heavyweight H2H

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  1. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    very good offensive fighter but 2 factors stick in my head, he never KO'd a man after the 8th and had 2 one-punch KO loses against McCall and Rahman, men that could punch but not in the killer puncher bracket. These 2 factors would leave him susceptible against hard punchers or attrition fighters
     
  2. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Lewis was the man...he may have been the best..up there with Ali and Louis.
     
  3. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Apparently, he schooled a young SNV behind closed doors about 3 year back.

    The point of my post was, why is there so much emphasis on the Heavyweights? When we have superb boxers in the lower weights who get completely ignored, and then the same repeated threads on boxers who get too much exposure.
     
  4. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    This is sobering..and true regarding Lewis...I haven't considered this till just now....the part about never stopping anyone after 8.
     
  5. Boxed Ears

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    First of all, no way in ****all anybody has ever had the pugilistic genius to school SNV anywhere.

    Secondly, if the man wants to talk heavyweights, he wants to talk heavyweights. You start your own damn threads about puny little men slapping at each other who would all get squashed by a real man in Sugar, because no one is as big/great and that goes quintuple for anyone under light heavyweight.
     
  6. Boxed Ears

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    You have to last that long with him too though for it to mean anything.
     
  7. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    IB, who's your #3 HW out of curiosity. Holmes?
     
  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Yep. Louis/Ali/Holmes are the unshakable trio as of today, IMO. Past that, it's really quite a chore to split and number the rest.
     
  9. Unforgiven

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    I flip on Lewis and Tyson, but I've become more inclined towards Lewis to be honest. It's easy to overrate Tyson. Most people are guilty of it, behind the protestations that "Tyson gets underrated". I guess it's all perspective.


    Yes, to a point. But not to the point where he's the most effective ever.
    I cant think of any real "masterclass" performances he put on, except for Tua, who was one-dimensional guy with stumpy arms and about 8 inch height deficit.


    His chin was decent. Yes, he used his range well.

    I dont think Lewis necessarily compares favourably with Liston, nevermind Ali.
    i dont see why Ali would strictly "have to make the fight" and show an undue uncomfortably level of forward movement, nor do I see a problem with that even if it were true to some extent. If Lewis was to lay back and be lazy and try to pick up points that way, Ali would carve him up. Ali had more dimensions, better movement, the works.

    Lewis looked good fighting big mooses and statues like Golota, blasting him out. It's hard to extrapolate how he'd beat Ali from those sort of fights though. Watch his 24 rounds with a past-prime Holyfield and his 12 with some guy called Zelkjo Mavrovic and he looks more ordinary against men with just a bit of agility and boxing ability.

    Let's not even think about what ali would do to him with his speed. Who did Lewis ever even fight who was fast ?
     
  10. Addie

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  11. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    He is the best Super-Heavyweight ever, definitely.

    However, I think too much emphasis is put on size, there are negatives to it aswell that are forgotten about.
     
  12. PetethePrince

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    Doesn't his trilogy with Bowe sort of nullify that? Not that Bowe has a better legacy. Lewis is arguably more well-rounded than Bowe, even if Bowe has certain strengths and ability that Lewis doesn't. Lewis has the better jab, and punches harder (Bowe's more durable and better inside though).
     
  13. Boxed Ears

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    Agree on both counts. He is the best "Super" HW and size is typically self-limiting.
     
  14. PetethePrince

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    I don't see how Holmes is unshakable like Louis and Ali. Holmes didn't unify and had some pretty poor defenses. He never got KOed by 1 punch twice like Lewis. Even though I think Lewis sort of had bad luck for it to happen (Not relevant), I still he has better depth than Holmes. Are you using H2H as part of your criteria because I know you think Holmes gives Prime Ali all that he can handle.

    I think Tyson is more underrated generally, especially in terms of H2H. Obviously he has his fanatics but they rarely come to these quarters.

    Well, what do you think of his performance against Golota, Briggs, Grant, Tyson, and Rahman II? Surely he has some solid performance even if they weren't masterclasses. What would you consider Holmes masterclasses to be? Joe Louis?

    That's the most important thing with the big guys (I think). Plus, I think he's more more equipped inside than someone like Wlad is.

    Fair enough, although I don't think Ali was keen on forward movement. When did he ever show great ability in pressing a fight against a much taller, rangier fighter with great power? Even against Terrel he was largely letting him be the forward mover. I guess it really doesn't matter. I know Ali showed this later against Bugner, but I figured it was aspect often overlooked in examining this type of fight.

    I agree. Ruddock had some speed, but he was just too much one punch at a time. Briggs had fairly good handspeed as well, although an obvious lack in boxing ability and stamina. A fair point I must say.
     
  15. Boxed Ears

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    :rofl:rofl:rofl Damn do I envy your shopping skills.