Starting To Think Lennox Lewis Is The Most Complete and Best Heavyweight H2H

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  1. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Just to get us thinking a bit on this. Let's just scrap the McCall KO for arguments sake. Regardless of the quality fighter Rahman is... do you think the punch Marciano landed to finish the fight and KO Louis was about as hard as the punch Rahman landed on Louis? Granted, Marciano's wasn't a 1 punch KO since he landed the left hook that had Joe hurt and finished him with a combination. But Louis saw that right hand he claims and couldn't do anything about it... it was the final devastating blow.

    Regardless of the caliber of fighter Rahman could punch. It was just getting that punch to land that was a problem. He even unofficially decked Tua after the bell in their second fight. No easy feat.
     
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  2. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    I don't think comparing lennox lewis in his physical prime to the shot, shot louis that took that marciano punch is anywhere near the realm of fair. punch resistance degrades quite a bit overtime, so you have to factor that in. As for the right hand itself, he punched Louis through the ropes right? Can't argue with that kind of destroyer.
     
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  3. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Uh....No weed don't. How do you know ?
     
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  4. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Anyone who blames Lennox for his failure to beat Rahman (the first time) ...and uses this as some kind of proof...that prime Ali would own him , needs to be reminded of this:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnEDM4EC5kw[/ame]

    (and Cooper wouldn't even fight in the hw division today)...he'd be a cruiserweight.

    No one is perfect. Not Ali , not Lennox..nobody...

    But concluding that fight A would beat fight B...because of this or that mistake (especially when we're talking about such different eras)...isn't proving anything.

    We can only speculate...and the fan who claim to know for sure that either Ali or Lennox would win is just a wishful thinker...a fanboy....It's impossible to know for sure because both fighters made mistakes in their fights...both also had very different types of opponents.
     
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  5. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Any big puncher possessing good size and at least middling skill would have had a chance to catch Lewis asleep at the wheel.

    Even comeback Foreman would have stood a fair chance.

    Lewis would win almost every single rematch, though.

    When he's "on", Lewis does look like the head-to-head HW total package.
     
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  6. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Fair enough, but Louis was only 1 year older than Lewis. And considering some of the punches he took from Charles and Marciano I don't know how much his punch resistance degraded, I'd imagine not that much although I can buy that argument to an extent.
     
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  7. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    The age difference isn't significant, but the ring age difference is to me.
     
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  8. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Fair enough. Nice chatting with you. Just out of curiosity if you had to score both of these guys out of a 1-10 in chin what would you give them?
     
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  9. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    Louis 8, Lennox about a 7-6.5

    ****ing freaks like a Chuvalo/LaMotta being a 10
     
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  10. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I'd say pure resistance for both is about a 7.5, with Louis' recovery closer to 9 or 10 and Lewis' down at about 5.

    Swarmer (or PTP) - how would you rate the power of each on the same scale?

    I think Lennox was strong even for his size and obviously had a lot of mass behind his punches, but he didn't have the meanness that Joe hit with. Both had excellent punching technique.
     
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  11. Swarmer

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    Can't give Joe anything but a 10 in this category. He was not only a ferocious puncher in terms of raw power but versatile and accurate to boot. he knocked people cold, not just down.

    Lennox I give an 8.5. Strong, can definitely hurt almost every elite in HW history but lacked the constant threat through 12 of mental death that the creme-de-la-creme punchers have.

    I factored in recovery as part of my chin evaluation. Dempsey is another example of a guy who could get decked, even against so so dudes, but stand up and **** back.
     
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  12. JohnThomas1

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    Lewis never lost a fight that went 8 or more anyway, so that nullifies that.
     
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  13. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    I think Lewis would edge Louis for 1 punch power. Overall, though, from round 1 to 12 I think Louis punching is more consistent and he's a more accurate puncher with always pitch-perfect technique.

    If I have to rate them as for as power goes I'd give Lewis the edge. He has the strength, mass, and great snap to his punches. I think some of his KO's show this and I believe he has more 1 punch KO's than Louis, and over bigger guys. Louis on the other hand generally got better leverage with his hips and his combos were more deadly due to accuracy and power when thrown. Nobody really throw better quick short shots than Louis.

    If I were to make a HW punching list it would probably have Louis and Tyson interchangeable at the 1 and 2 spot. On a pure power list I'd have Lennox near the top with guys like Shavers and Foreman ahead at the very top. Number wise I'd have Lewis a 10 with Louis a 9.5 I think.
     
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  14. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    Great fighter was Lewis. Ali and Big Larry Holmes were more skilled quicker and fluent boxers with better chins to boot. The young Tyson was better also in my opinion.
     
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  15. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Well, I think we need another pointless statistic to slag him off with then. Can you think of one? I don't think he's ever knocked out a number one southpaw contender with a straight left. That really gives me pause about him.
     
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