State of the Game...2011 v 1986

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  1. ipswich express

    ipswich express Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jnr Lightweight

    1986

    Champ: Wilfredo Gomez
    1. Julio Cesar Chavez
    2. Rocky Lockridge
    3. Roger Mayweather
    4. Alfredo Layne
    5. Mario Martinez
    6. Rafael Solis
    7. Kenny Baysmore
    8. Johnny de la Rosa
    9. Francisco Cruz
    10. Barry Michael

    2011

    Champ: Vacant
    1. Mzonke Fana
    2. Ricky Burns
    3. Takashi Uchiyama
    4. Roman Martinez
    5. Juan Carlos Salgado
    6. Jorge Solis
    7. Jorge Linares
    8. Takahiro Ao
    9. Argenis Mendez
    10. Jason Litzau

    Edge: 1986. I don't think you could really make an argument for 2011.
     
  2. ipswich express

    ipswich express Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Featherweight

    1986

    Champ: Barry McGuigan
    1. Azumah Nelson
    2. Eusebio Pedroza
    3. Juan LaPorte
    4. Marcos Villasana
    5. Jackie Beard
    6. Calvin Grove
    7. Ki-yung Park
    8. Bernard Taylor
    9. Min-Keun Oh
    10. Tyrone Jackson

    2011

    Champ: Vacant
    1. Juan Manuel Lopez
    2. Yuriorkis Gamboa
    3. Chris John
    4. Orlando Salido
    5. Daniel Ponce De Leon
    6. Cristobal Cruz
    7. Elio Rojas
    8. Bernabe Concepcion
    9. Raphael Marquez
    10. Hozumi Hasegawa

    Edge: 1986, but 2011 has a couple of guys that could go on and do some big things.
     
  3. ipswich express

    ipswich express Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jnr Featherweights

    1986

    Champ: Vacant
    1. Victor Callejas
    2. Lupe Pintor
    3. Juan Kid Meza
    4. Loris Stecca
    5. Jaime Garza
    6. Julian Solis
    7. Jorge Ramirez
    8. James Pipps
    9. Harold Petty
    10. Oscar Muniz

    2011

    Champ: Vacant
    1. Toshiaki Nishioka
    2. Akifumi Shimoda
    3. Ryol Li Lee
    4. Poonsawat Kratingaenggym
    5. Takalani Ndlovu
    6. Guillermo Rigondeaux
    7. Ricardo Cordoba
    8. Steve Molitor
    9. Jeffrey Mathebula
    10. Wilfredo Vazquez Jr.

    Edge: 2011. Very hard to separate. I think the depth 1-10 is with the current crop. There should be an official Ring Champion crowned in this division soon, with the top three ranked boxers all coming from Japan.
     
  4. ipswich express

    ipswich express Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bantamweight

    Champion: Richard Sandoval
    1. Jiro Wantanabe
    2. Kaosai Galaxy
    3. Miguel Lora
    4. Greg Richardson
    5. Gaby Canizales
    6. Daniel Zaragoza
    7. Freddie Jackson
    8. Albert Davilla
    9. Jeff Fenech
    10. Edgar Monserrat

    2011

    Champion: Vacant
    1. Nonito Donaire
    2. Anselmo Moreno
    3. Joseph Agbeko
    4. Abner Mares
    5. Fernando Montiel
    6. Yonnhy Perez
    7. Eric Morel
    8. Vic Darchinyan
    9. Koki Kameda
    10. Malcolm Tunacao

    Edge: Two fantastic divisions but the edge must go to 2011. You could make a fantastic case for 1986 and I wouldn't argue. Would love to see these two top tens face each other!
     
  5. COULDHAVEBEEN

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    Certainly no argument that it's 1986, and by a long way.

    Interestingly, ALL 11 of the 'class of 1986' fought for world titles, and all but one actually won a world title, and that was in the days when there were only three belts!

    Carl 'The Truth' being the odd one out having two unsuccessful challenges - the first a UD loss to Holmes, and the second the round 1 KO loss to Tyson.

    That competitive evenness is not at all evident in the 'class of 2011'.
     
  6. ipswich express

    ipswich express Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Flyweight

    1986

    Champion: Sot Chitalada
    1. Jung-Koo Chang
    2. Gabriel Bernal
    3. Hilario Zapata
    4. Myung Woo Yuh
    5. Joey Olivo
    6. sugar Baby Rojas
    7. Dodie Penalosa
    8. Jose DeJesus
    9. Alonzo Gonzalez
    10. Isirdo Perez

    2011

    Champion: Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
    1. Daisuke Naito
    2. Takefumi Sakata
    3. Hernan Marquez
    4. Luis Concepcion
    5. Denkaosan Kaovichit
    6. Moruti Mthalane
    7. Julio Cesar Miranda
    8. Rocky Fuentes
    9. Milan Melindo
    10. Edgar Sosa

    Edge: Back then The Ring used to rank boxers from Strawweight etc in their Flyweight rankings. I would definitely lean to 1986 heavily, but it's not a fair ranking, so it goes down as N/A.
     
  7. ipswich express

    ipswich express Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Final Tally in my opinion is:

    1986: 5
    2011: 6
    Even or Not Applicable: 2
     
  8. cedrichw

    cedrichw Well-Known Member Full Member

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    great stuff ippy I would have thought 1986 would have been stronger as each fighter would have been judged on there career not just where they were at in 86 so good to see where we are at
     
  9. Kegsy

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    Great stuff Ippy agree with your judgements.

    I really like the 1986 Bantams vs 2011 Bantams & the 1986 Feathers vs 2011 Feathers.
    Would be wars everywhere.
    Also 1986 Middles vs 2011 Middles....some great comparisons.
     
  10. ashley

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    Good job Ippy.....Interesting to see 2011 getting the edge.....IMO the difference is matchmaking has changed now and the big fights don't get made as much like they did 15 years ago
     
  11. Liechhardt

    Liechhardt Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I favor 2011 at 118, 135, 140, 147, & pick em at 175.
     
  12. Liechhardt

    Liechhardt Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I also think Bradley v Smith is toss up.