State of the game; Canelo Alvarez...

all evidence suggests to you that you are smarter than me? wow that sounds real scientific lol. do you have a medal or something? I don't know what's funnier, the fact that you are adamant that you're smarter than me or that you point to there being 'hundreds of online tests' that supposedly prove that?

With your online smart tests, how can you know you are smarter than me without comparing your results to my results? There's about as much evidence pointing to you being smarter than me as there is evidence that Canelo is a drugs cheat : not much.

I'm not asking for any type of exception. If you read my post, I made it clear that's not my line of reasoning. That's what you hypothesized my reasoning was and you asked me if that was my reasoning and I made it clear it wasn't. You're doing a really bad job of proving your smarter than me here since I made it clear that I wasn't calling for any kind of exception for mexican fighters.

 

It was on the advice from GGG that Canelo was tested? Why don't you expand on this.

You're saying that GGG specifically instructed VADA to test Canelo before they normally did? That says a lot about GGG and Team GGG's role in all this if true.

 

wow, for a guy who wants to challenge me intellectually, youre finding it hard to figure out a way we could take an identical timed test and post the results simultaneously on a thread, this one for example.
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If a mexican tests positive for trace amounts of clenbuterol, it should naturally be examined, investigated, and prompt more testing to make sure the fighter is clean.[/QUOTE]
no, if a mexican tests positive, he is cheating. if he cant find a way to keep tainted meat out of his mouth, then he doesnt belong in a ring against fighters who can.

 

If that were true. then Vargas Salido would have been cancelled, or the Luis Nery fight would have been cancelled. They weren't. And there's a reason why they weren't. Why would that same standard not apply to Canelo?

I'm not calling for mexicans to not be tested like you insinuated. We just need to be understand that contaminated meat is a well documented real issue in Mexico that has caused plenty of athletes in Mexico to test positive through accidental ingestion. At this point, WADA and every drug testing agency in the world is well aware of the well documented issue, so there's no excuse to play dumb and act like it's not a real issue that affects mexican athletes. You're not demonstrating yourself as a smart intellectual if you ignore the meat contamination issue which you are and have to be to conclude that Canelo is a confirmed cheat, regardless of what the penalty / suspension is.

And lets get another thing clear : You're challenging me intellectually, claiming you're smarter than me, not the other way around brainiac.

 

What about with out roids?

 

as you stated, tainted mexican meat is no secret, especially to butchers, so how is it wadas responsibility to insure canelos tacos are kosher?
i stated what i believe to be a fact, you replied by questioning that fact, i suggested how we can determine that fact. either challenge it or accept it, the truth is obtainable.

 

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apparently on the advice of Golovkin or his team who felt Canelo was cheating they asked the testing agency to start earlier than before as they had reason to believe Canelo was using PEDs in Mexico before camp started in the US.

 

I said that common sense tells us that testing positive and intentionally cheating are two different things, and that Canelo's detractors typically try to conflate those, as if simply testing positive for clenbuterol in an area known to have a contaminated meat problem proves cheating.

You responded by doing just that, like stepping into a well laid out trap, saying "the positive tests were confirmed" and acting like the positive test alone proves cheating. (which it clearly doesn't if it was a result of meat contamination)

 

Lol it’s an excuse,you do know this gets rolled out where ever one is caught so Fury said it was the tainted Boar meat and many more will follow.
Best I’ve heard is a recent suspended female athlete who got popped for some dirty anabolic steroids claimed it was in her tainted supplement

 

This opens up a whole can of worms. I didn't know fighters could get VADA to test their opponents when they wanted to. You're pretty much claiming that GGG ordered Canelo be tested earlier than normal, which resulted in the fight getting cancelled.

If what you're saying is true, then that's corruption. Fighters or their teams aren't supposed to have the ability to order when their opponent gets tested. It's supposed to be random and administrated by the testing agency. Basically you're claiming that Team GGG was able to adjust Canelo's random testing schedule, that VADA was literally being instructed by Team GGG as to when to test Canelo. Man that sounds corrupt as hell.

 

ok, but what you refuse to understand is that for all practical purposes, canelos intentions do not matter. it is not anybodies responsibility to investigate why canelo popped dirty, and it is nobodies responsibility to clear his name when he does. the rules do not state that you have to purposely and knowingly ingest a prohibited substance for it to break the rules.
unless the positive results were doctored, canelo cheated.

 

The difference is between Fury and that female athlete and Canelo is that there's a known well documented contaminated meat problem in Mexico that produces positive tests.

It's much more believable for a mexican athlete who tested for trace amounts of clenbuterol to chalk it up to contaminated meat than other fighters outside of mexico to allege contamianted meat when it's not a known problem where they live or the substance they tested positive for isn't known to be in contaminated meats.

 

Not sure it’s corruption and like I’ve been saying all along between these two that the A side thing isn’t as obvious as what you’d think with the WBC respecting Golovkin.

I can only think that VADA was already suspected Canelo was up to no good which is why they agreed to test earlier than norm,I’m quite sure it was the same for Golovkin and you do realise that VADA can turn up whenever right?

 

"not sure it's corruption"? On the advice of GGG, VADA decided to test Canelo earlier?? You're saying that GGG got VADA to test Canelo earlier than normal, how is that's not corruption? That's corrupt as hell, if what you're saying is true.

Basically what you're saying is that Canelo wouldn't have been tested when he was if it wasn't for GGG getting VADA to test him then? I have no idea if what you're saying is true, or if GGG really was able to get VADA to test Canelo earlier. But if you believe that, then surely that opens up a huge can of worms, and that VADA was basically in cahoots with GGG or his team and GGG was telling VADA when to test Canelo. That's not how it's supposed to work !

Why would VADA already have suspected that Canelo was up to no good and decided to test him earlier? You said it was on the advice from Golovkin, but at that point Canelo had never tested positive so they would have had no reason to suspect him of anything.

AA, you're sort of backtracking here, first saying VADA tested Canelo earlier on the advice of Golovkin, now saying you know VADA can turn up whenever. Well which is it, you said it wasn't just normal VADA turning up whenever, but it was specifically on the advice of Golovkin that VADA tested him earlier.

 

Lol calm down Golovkin never bought that he was clean anyway and he was right wasn’t he?
So funny how you can watch Canelo fights with it BS judges and then when someone does something that doesn’t fit in with your A side BS it’s corrupt.