Statements You are So sick of Hearing ...

I don’t know if Leonard was training during this time off and it’s believable he wasn’t but I’d be unsurprised he was in the gym getting work… Leonard had a full career and money behind him, Ali was in his prime years still holding onto being HW champ.

 

I understand fully. My friend set lines with Jimmy Vacarro. In fact The Mirage was the only house to take bets. No other house wanted to take bets because all the money would have been on Tyson and rhey would have been exposed if the +4200 dog won. How many champions lost their belts to a +4200 dog? At the end of the day Mike Tyson lost his title to a +4200 dog and all the revisionists dancing on the head of a pin can't change that fact.

 

This reflects the general public’s belief that Tyson would be in normal form. It took about thirty seconds of action for all but the lowliest of haters to conclude that this was far from the truth.

 

A lieutenant shows up disinterested in battle he can get the men in his charge killed. A surgeon shows up disinterested in his work he can lose a patient. A pilot shows up distracted for work and get his passengers killed. And in the thread where a younger iteration of Larry Holmes was matched against Mike Tyson did you or did you not argue there is no need to speculate because we all saw them fight and saw what happened? "For the same way you judge orhers, you will he judged, and with the measure you use it will be used to you."

 

He didn’t look any different in this first round (much less first 30 seconds) than he did vs Tony Tubbs. Nobody claims that was post-prime Tyson.

I think you don’t understand the meaning of the word prime. Mike Tyson was absolutely in his prime when he lost to Buster, unless you can enlighten us on how he went from prime vs Carl Williams to a broken-down version of himself vs Buster.

If Mike KO’s Buster after a slow start, nobody is talking about how he was a faded version of himself.

Mike got his ass whupped. All there is to it. Buster was better and would have always given him fits.

 

I believe his argument is that Tyson lost because he was a shell of himself, a veritable hesdcase. Let's stipulate that's the case. Napoleon said, "The moral is to the physical is as theee is to one.." if a person lacks discipline that's on him or her, and is not an excuse for a poor performance.

 

Nonsense!!! Everybody knows Tyson’s prime lasted 91 seconds against Michael Spinks, where he had a minimum of 10 hours of sleep, a good breakfast and motivational quotes on his mind the whole day. He was simply washed after that day in his early 20s, because he had a sad personal life and stuff.

 

Let's stipulate his head was in the wrong place. That's on him. It's not an excuse.

 

I had a bad cold last weekend. It wouldn’t have been a prime performance from me if I boxed or did any other athletic activity last weekend for that reason.

He wasn’t prime for Williams or Bruno either. He was just worse in Tokyo and fighting a guy who was closer to Tucker’s level.

Enlighten us on how you think Tyson was incapable of being out of form in Tokyo. The commentators even said he was “methodical.”

 

There's a little more than that though. Weak era not his fault. That he got knocked out or stopped 3 times at or near his prime doesn't help. More importantly the way he fought, with the excessive clinching. It wasnt good boxing more of a cheap way to get through couting on a weak referee.

You may rank him higher than I do but there is some valid reasons to leave him off.

 

Methodical doesn’t mean ‘not prime,’ lol. Alexis Arguello and Julio Cesar Chavez in their primes were methodical. Mike Tyson was methodical against Tyrell Biggs and Pinklon Thomas too (he lost the first round to Pinky, right — we could we tell in 30 seconds that he wasn’t himself?).

Mike Tyson didn’t have a cold in Tokyo, did he? Or is that the latest excuse?

Someone stood up to the little bully and he pouted rather than fight through it. That’s this ‘excuse.’ Because losers make excuses — winners adjust.

Drink plenty of liquids and take some vitamin C. Hope you get back to feeling ‘prime.’

 

His head isn’t half the size of Duran’s, so I don’t care what place it was in.

 

lol at not understanding the difference between a “methodical” Tyson and a fighter who is like that by design. He wasn’t explosive in Tokyo. I never knew boxing fans were going to great lengths to deny what is obvious on film until I took to the internet.

 

You can summarize Tyson v Douglas pretty simply.

Douglas had some skills but he was lazy and did not, in general, fight up to his potential. Tyson didn't think that Douglas would be a problem and he didn't have the people around him to keep him focused so he didn't take him seriously. Circumstances conspired to create an extremely motivated Buster Douglas. Douglas, on the best night of his life, caught Tyson on a bad night. Tyson recovered from that night to regain a title and fight at the top level for several years. That night destroyed Buster Douglas. For his next fight he reverted to form and ate pizza in the sauna, got stopped in 3 against Holyfield, and his career was over.
Statements that I am tired of are mostly those that say that any fighter was unbeatable at some point of their career. No fighter, ever. has been unbeatable. If you are a human, you feel pain and you bleed and there is always somebody that has your number. Sometimes it may take a minute to find that guy and, once you do, your fans will say that you were 'past prime.'