Step back in time - Mike Tyson versus Trevor Berbick

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  1. stuistylee

    stuistylee j.c.chavez superstar Full Member

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    didnt c it live...but saw a number of his defences and unification fights on the telly at the RSL(club)...he was truly awesome during that time...i was only young at the time and we could sit in the rsl as long as we didnt go2 the bar area...1 of my most vivid memories was walking home after the douglas fight...shattered but not totally suprised...cause that was the way the people i looked up2 said he could b beat(the jab was the main thing with the right hands behind it+ you have 2 agree he was whoring and drinking in japan-anyway they seem 2 b a pretty standard rumour)...
     
  2. Moralman

    Moralman Member Full Member

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    Dear Amsterdam
    kind regards
    In response to your comments.

    This is the real Moralman.

    He made the headlines for his turbulent life outside the ring, he was an explosive personality.
    But I think that he should have reigned himself in, he was an embarrassment towards the end of his career.
    Take a look at Tyson's interviews.

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    Tyson would have made a good wrestling heel.
    yours thankfully
    John
     
  3. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Oh he was definitely an embarassment later on, truly a sad case, I feel bad for him in some instances. But boxing and other sports exist for our entertainment and he surely was an entertaining persona.

    By the way John, what do you think of potential HW star David Haye?
     
  4. Moralman

    Moralman Member Full Member

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    Dear Amsterdam
    kind regards
    In response to your comments.

    Tyson was exploited at the end of his career and was simply acting like a headcase for the money.
    He was acting like a WWF wrestler and a boxer at the same time, it was a good combination though, especially in terms of profit.

    Well, the verdict is out, whilst Haye is undoubtedly a very good cruiserweight, he will have to prove that he is a good heavyweight.
    If he goes all the way, then I will cheer him on.
    yours thankfully
    John
     
  5. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    It was, I don't really think Tyson is bad a person per say, I just think he's an idiot basically, a child inside a man's body that never grew up and grew out of his environment. Everything for him came on too soon and all of those *******s didn't care about him at all, he had no real friends so to speak and they did everything they could to profit off of him instead of really help him personally.

    Most of everything is his fault, but to a point you have to sympathise with him also.

    I hope that Mike ends up having a decent life from here on out, but I doubt it.

    That's good, I hope somebody can spur your interest in boxing again, being that you prefer Heavyweight's mainly. Haye's exciting and I hope he does well and garners more interest in the division, the division as it stands now is likely much worse than it was in the 80's when Tyson bulldozed through everybody. Have to give Tyson some extra credit for that being that the division he leveled wasn't great, but was far from as horrible as it is now.

    Same can be said for a man of his time in Jack Dempsey.

    I also didn't get to go to Wrestlemania, I was going to and showed up for the pre-event festivities and met a few of the wrestlers including Ms. Kelly Kelly(who looks even better in person and was very pleasant), but got sick and had to go home.

    I'm mad I missed it because it was quite an event.
     
  6. Tyson 2005

    Tyson 2005 Member Full Member

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    In my opinion Tyson in the 80's was easily anywhere in the top 5 heavyweights of all time. His strength, defense, and speed where unheard of at the time. I didn't get into boxing until about four years ago, and I've been on and off (until now, I'm officially hooked), but there was one man that I'd always love in the sport and that Mike Tyson. After the McBride fight, I was heart broken, even though I hadn't even seen Tyson's early bouts. Thats when I was intrigued to buy his whole career on dvd. I watched all of his fights in the amatures all the way up to his peek and I must say he is a beast of a man.

    On the subject of Tyson-Berbick though. I must have watched this one hundreds of times. Berbick was a real piece of iron! He ate most of Mikes punches in the first round, but couldn't take it anymore. I give credit to Berbick for trying to fight back, but in the 80's Mike was an unstoppable force.

    And he would have been Lennox in the 80's.

    Just my two cents...
     
  7. Moralman

    Moralman Member Full Member

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    Dear Amsterdam
    kind regards
    In response to your comments.

    I agree.

    Yes, the people that exploited him were scum.
    They were simply parasites, but then again, he should have exercised discernment.

    I agree.
    The worst mistake that Tyson made was breaking away from Cayton and signing a pact with the Devil King.
    I mentioned this in our AOL IM conversation last year, but I thought that I'd bring it up again.

    Lets keep our fingers crossed.

    I am going to reserve full comment on Haye until I see what he does in the heavyweight division.
    Boxing is a mugs game and that is why the best athletes don't enter the sport anymore, which has led to the sports decline.
    The promoters, such as the criminal Don King, are responsible.
    Boxing is seen as a sport where you retire with a lack of brain cells and a lack of money, due to being screwed over by the promoter.

    Oh well, these things happen.
    At least you went to the festivities and met Miss Kelly.
    Its always good to talk to you.
    yours thankfully
    John
     
  8. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    Moralman what are your thoughts on Tyson's fight against James Tillis in 1986, a few months before the Berbick fight?
     
  9. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Berbick did the "Funky Chicken"!
     
  10. rochsolloch

    rochsolloch stephen chinnock Full Member

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    most fighters were beaten by fear before the fight started!
     
  11. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Actually this is the fight that convinced me about Mike's methodical attack - not just about the killer instinct but also about the perfect balance between great defensive moves while out in offense. I knew he had that concussive blast to smack hard against all others' ribs, skulls and jaws... But he didn't run smack into Berbick even as the former WBC title holder was tryin to chop through with sledge hammer shots - he used all his upper torso and shoulder strength, of his shorter arms ( smaller distance between him and his opponent for the bolo-type punches to travel) and excellent feints and body-coordination to get in position to follow up any lethal shot with necessary balance n leverage ( cutting off any retreat, striking out at the flanks as well as leading frontal assaults, encircling his enemy). Anybody should know that Cus, Jacobs, Atlas and Rooney would produce results with that intensive, spartan regime but it was the mental discipline, the professionalism and the methodical approach that ultimately controlled the sense of urgency and collapsed full potential into reality... Berbick (RIP) was not proven less of an adversary than had been anticipated - that scenario would be orchestrated on purpose against many others ( Thomas, Biggs, Tubbs, Holmes, Spinks, Bruno) until Mike lost concentration to train and execute. Yes, this step back in time to the Berbick fight is right to the beginning of the modern era in boxing - nobody would fight the same way since that one and nobody had fought that way up until then ( Spinks - Holmes 1985, Whiterspoon-Bruno 1986 and others).
     
  12. Moralman

    Moralman Member Full Member

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    Dear Pharaoh
    kind regards
    I think that James Tillis did well to go the full distance.
    Mike Tyson showed his skill in that fight.
    yours thankfully
    John
     
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