Steroids or technique? Closing the talent gap with Manny Pacquiao and Paulie Malignaggi

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  1. navigator

    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." banned Full Member

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    No quit in Paolo. Quality guy, too, even if he sometimes gets it wrong (his thing with Pacquiao) or makes wrong moves (should never have offered his services to a corny huckster like McGregor, should never have done BKB).
     
  2. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's a bad argument to compare Pac to Pauli in order to disprove PED suspicions. Most top fighters at 140/147 hit harder than Pauli, not just Pac. The real question is why does Pac hit harder than guys who aren't light punchers at 140/147 and are much bigger than him? Why is he the more dangerous puncher than Horn, Thurman and others who are visibly bigger?

    Do a video analysis on why he has better power punching performances than guys who don't have light punching technique, guys who are more massive. That's when it gets harder to explain.

    Nobody questions that Pac has physical ability and technique. But that doesn't mean he hasn't been enhanced. Canelo also has physical ability and technique, yet defies belief with his new stamina at 160lbs+ and power at 168lbs+.

    Now that Pac is still beating top guys at 40 in a division needing speed, stamina and reflexes, it actually creates even more red flags than before. Pauli was correct in his comments about the natural ageing process of athletes and how Pac seems immune to it.

    The suspicions surrounding Pac are valid, though not proven.
     
  3. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Ban.
     
  4. Mr Applebee

    Mr Applebee Active Member Full Member

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    You don’t think floyds IV use is suspicious? His late fight announcements? Test/Epitest ratios? People like Paulie would be all over it if any of those things related to Pac. I am far more suspicious of Floyd than I am Pacquiao.
     
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  5. iii

    iii Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Man I wish I'd had that on some hot dates eons ago...
     
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  6. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Don`t think Manny would have needed drugs to beat Paulie.
     
  7. Fat_asian

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    Lemme see here, some people equate head (noggin) size to ped use. Remember a la toney?

    But the truth is Filipinos muscles blow up real quick while touching weights, that was why pac was able to go through all those divisions.

    For the Barrera fight he sparred 36 rounds a day. That enabled him to go through eleven rounds without losing stamina on his punches at all.

    It's called cry in the dojo, laugh on the battlefield.

    Plus I think pac tells the truth about fighting in the jr middleweight division. He said it was too much. He relinquished the belt when they asked him who he would fight next, lol.
     
  8. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Manny hasn`t stopped many welters.
     
  9. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    People point to his lack of power, but I think even his boxing ability was overrated.

    I'd say Paulie was a decently skilled fighter with lots of heart and toughness, he just wasn't as highly skilled as some around here would like to think of him as.
     
  10. Pakkuman

    Pakkuman I'm not hot. I'm just BIG. banned Full Member

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    A 50 year old Pac would STILL smoke the best ever version of Paulie.
     
  11. JL Fighter

    JL Fighter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    True. Although Hatton beat Paulie, Paulie KO'd Senchenko. Senchenko KO'd Hatton.

    Also, Pac ducked Paulie in 2009.
     
  12. Pakkuman

    Pakkuman I'm not hot. I'm just BIG. banned Full Member

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    Why would Pac duck Paulie?
     
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  13. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    NOT TO MENTION... Floyd got to say when testing started. And yet, NONE of the floyd fanatics have issues with that.
     
  14. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Was that before or after Pac KO'd Cotto and Hatton that year?
     
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  15. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Hatton was shot when Senchenko beat him, Hatton was far better than Paulie in his prime.