Steve collins...

Both occasions when Collins fought Benn, Nigel was shot and should never have been anywhere near the ring let alone inside it fighting Collins. To claim otherwise is either naïve or an attempt to promote Collins as a superior talent to Nigel Benn by ignoring the obvious facts. He wasn’t. Eubank was no way near shot but he was exhausted. He had six fights in the year leading up to facing Collins and prior to those he had his 12 round war with Benn. Eubank had less than a month off before he was back in Training to meet Collins. Collins had been out of the ring for over eight months and was fresher for sure. Collins style not suffering from ring rust as he basically marched forward and tried to assault his opponents rather than box them. In the second fight Collins got the decision but many thought Eubank won. Steve Collins was tough and rough with a granite chin. I’m not saying he had no talent boxing wise but he was more of a mauler and brawler. I’m sure he was not a fighter anyone took lightly but he was not of the class of either Watson, Eubank or Benn. But he definitely got them both at the perfect time. As for Calzaghe he would have embarrassed Collins in a similar fashion to the Lacy fight. Collins was made for Joe and he clearly knew it which is why he did not take the fight.

 

If that's what you need to tell yourself Droog, you go right ahead:good I love hearing from all the English posters how Collins only won cos of Benn and Eubank being shot, gunshy, tired, etc, etc...it's quite funny really

 

Don’t let your bias and bigotry distort the facts PatrickP. If you can’t watch the sport without bias and have to resort to supporting the white guy or the black guy or revising the facts because you dislike English fighters then you’re going to be disappointed more often than not. I notice you avoid mentioning Calzaghe as that would not fit in with your confused and distorted view that I’m only supporting Benn and Eubank because they are English.

I'm sure Collins has lots of fans but I doubt many would claim that the Nigel Benn who stepped in the ring against Collins was anything but shot on both occassions.

 

Calm down Droog and stop making assumptions about me, I simply pointed out that it is mostly the English posters who are saying that Collins only beat Benn and Eubank because they were shot, gunshy, tired, had boo boos, it was there time of the month etc
I did mention Calzaghe if you take the time to actually read my posts you will see that, anyway Calzaghe is irrelevant, Collins retired upon medical advice so if anyone wants to imply that Collins was ducking Calzaghe, well that's just a bit silly really isn't it.
Nigel Benn was just as much of a puncher when he fought Collins, he realised he was could not put a dent in Collins, got disheartened and quit because of it. Oh and you are the only one who mentioned black and white so please stfu and stay on topic and stop embarrassing yourself with your nonsensical ramblings:good

 

You never mentioned Calzaghe in reply to me. As for the STFU comment well that's me told. If you have to resort to that petty **** you're a waste of time conversing about the sport with.

 

Oh right so, in reply to YOU, Calzaghe is irrelevant, he should not even come into a discussion regarding Steve Collins as they never fought so it's pointless trying to predict who would have won and how.
I told you to stfu because you were rambling on accusing me of being a bigot and bringing race into the discussion simply because I pointed out that it is mostly English posters who make excuses for Benn and Eubank losing instead of just giving Collins the credit for winning.

 

Patrick P Ive got nothing against Steve collins he was good and great to watch I was just giving you a bit of history of the times the fight took place and reasons why he come along at the right time. He "wouldnt" fight Calzaghe when a lot of people at the time would have picked him to win just like Eubank was.

 

He would've wrecked Roid.

 

He had two tough bouts with Thorton and Kevin Watts but beat both of them.

 

I'm 140 lbs, and he outweighed me by a fair bit, at a guess, i'd say he was hovering around the 200lb mark nowadays, perhaps even a little more.

He didn't hit me with anything of note. We had a chat beforehand, and the agreement was that he would hit me as hard as I hit him - I was left in no uncertain terms that if I went in there to take his head off to try and make a name for myself, it would be a very early night for me! He is very calm and assured in the ring, and this makes him an intimidating proposition. He cut off the ring very well, and gave me very little room to work, although he did take a fair few breathers as he's not as fit as he used to be! All in all, it was a honour to share a ring with him, and a pleasure to speak with him beforehand, and afterwards - he is as humble and down to earth as they come.

 

Calzaghe v Collins would of been a very interesting match up. It would of been a tougher fight for JC than Eubank and that was far from a walk in the park for him.

 

Amazing Collins gets great credit for this win...people forget Jones wiped thornton out in 2 rounds....

 

Collins is a world class fighter, no doubt. He still openly ducked Roy Jones and not many seem to know about this for some reason.

 

When was Collins offered the RJJ fight?

 

Scar, Collins was in training for a fight with RJJ. He was knocked down in sparring by Howard Eastman, I believe. The blow left him a bit groggy so he went to the doctor and was found to have swelling in his brain. I sincerely doubt Collins ducked RJJ. He was the one man Collins wanted more than anyone. I'm aware of the youtube video you normally post with Jones in the ring being interviewed by 3 journalists before his fight with Brannon. But all Jones says in that video is that the likes of Liles, Benn and Collins were offered 6 figure sums to fight him. Saying you offered a fighter a 6 figure sum leaves an awful lot of room for debate seeing as that can range from 100,000 to 999,999.