And the way you become a somebody is by beating the best champions out there. You can't fault Cunningham for calling out Haye, although the fight won't happen. Steve is a great fighter, who if he keeps at it will get his due, ala' Bernard Hopkins. Hopkins absolutely does not have a crowd pleasing style, but kept at it for years and got his payoff. Hopefully Steve can do the same. Cunningham is currently the most skilled of the Cruiserweights and he's a perplexing puzzle for any of them, Haye included.
Yeah that is true, I'm not bashing Cunningham, just stating the facts that he is an unknown. But this fight just is not gonna happen. Haye struggles to make weight and is moving up for an assault on the HW division. Cunningham may be a good fighter, but he is just not on Haye's mind right now. If Haye were staying at cruiser for a year, then fair play. But he is moving up for a crack at the HW's and you simply cannot fault him for that.
Using Haye fan logic, who has Haye beat to deserve a shot at Wlad? Accroding to you guys, he needs to spend years beating top 10 contenders and then maybe he'll derserve a shot. Of course, this assumes he's a big enough draw to warrant a shot even he's the number 1 contender.
Reg that may be the most ******ed post you have ever made. He would need to spend years beating top 10 HW's to get the shot he needs, fine. Better start now, :good.
You cleary Have some comprehension problems. I simpley reiterated the same logic Haye fans use in his favor for why he shouldn't fight Cunningham. I guess you didn't understand when I said "using Haye fans logic". Numerous Haye fans claim that Cunningham doesn't deserve a shot at Haye because, according to them, Cunningham hasn't fought anyone and he isn't a big enough name. They say this despite the multiple top 10 Cruisers he has beat since 2004. Despite this rhetoric, they seem to think Haye should be able to waltz right up to HW and take on the number 1 fighter in that division. Do you not see the contradiction in this line of thought?
Getting wound up Reg? Haye will get a high ranking by the WBA, WBC and WBO when he moves up, so he will be able to fight for one of those soon enough. Why the double standards man? What about Cotto, has he not beaten enough challengers to get a fight with Floyd?
Find me one post where I said Cotto doesn't deserve a shot at Floyd. I have always maintained that he deserves his shot. Furthermore, I never get wound up. And according to a lot of Haye fans, rankings mean nothing.
Steve's going to have to suck it up and realize that he's not going to get the benefit of winning every belt in one fight, but at least his trash talking should increase his visibility a little bit and lead to some bigger paydays. I think Haye would stop him, anyways, but that's beside the point. Macca-Cunningham would be a closer fight than Haye-Cunningham. Cunningham's career path from here on out should be trying to re-unite the titles. He doesn't have the $$$ to bring to the table to get the Haye fight to happen now, so he may as well focus on unifying the hard way if that's legitimately what he wants. Whatever he does, he should step to it now because prospects like Godfrey, Flores, and Banks are all going to become serious contenders within the near future and Cruiserweight isn't a talentless division. He'll have his work cut out for him.
we're going off topic. Haye - Cunningham is nothing like PBf Cotto, its more like Calzaghe - Mundine, a nice lil match but nothing to get the pulse racing...
Why doesnt Floyd fight Cotto then? Haye is moving to heavy, if he was staying at cruiser or hi next fight is announced to be at cruiser and he is not fighting Cunningham then you would have an argument. Who said rankings mean nothing? Belts mean nothing pretty much when there is an obvious number 1. Haye, Calzaghe, hell Pac doesnt even have a belt, Klitschko(arguable), Hatton (needs to fight somebody).
Hmm, this looks like a made-up claim. I don't remember one post where anyone claimed that there were any other Cruiserweights that Haye should face. A number of people, including myself, have stated several times that Cunningham would be the logical next fight for Haye, were he staying at Cruiserweight. But nobody, apart from you, thinks that the fact that a number one contender exists is a reason for a champion not to move up and face new challenges. There'll always be another number one contender.
I just saw the USS/Huck fight again on youtube. USS looked good but man I dont know if I would put him in the same class with Haye. Haye just looks to big and too strong for USS. To me, Haye looks far more impressive skill wise too. But hey, styles make fights so i'd still love to see this one, but its too bad it probably wont happen.
Because he's fighting DLH. Now would I rather him fight Cotto, of course I would. However, that fight can still be made. If Floyd was talking about leaving the division and never fighting Cotto, I wouldn't object to any criticism thrown his way. Once again, if Haye wants to go to HW, that's on him. However, it seems as though it's going to be a while before he can get a crack at Wlad or Peter, and he had no problem making weight against Maca and only fought two rounds. Haye claims that since he cleaned out the division that he can now move to HW. However, this isn't true. Until he beats Cunningham, he has not cleaned out the division. No one is going to stop this guy from going to HW. However, if he does so before beating Cunningham, than he needs to stop making bogus claims of cleaning out the division. Under the traditional standard, he will have also left the division without being the undisputed champ. This is knock on Haye, but it's reality.
Floyd's left loads of divisions without being anywhere near undisputed by your standards, criticise away.
First off, I'm not even criticising Haye. My only claim is that Cunningham is a worthy challenger, and that since He won't get a shot at Wlad or Peter for a while, he could still fight Cunningham. As a matter of fact, I haven't criticised Haye one time this entire thread. All I said was that he isn't the undisputed champ, which is true.