Steve Cunningham: Haye fights like an amateur

Decebal · Mar 12, 2008

Cobbler said:

I know. And there's the bottom line. Cunningham has no intention of fighting Haye, he knows it won't happen as he brings nothing to the table and if he's not completely delusional he knows he'd be sparked.

He's just trying to cash in on somebody elses success and star quality to gain a bit of cheap publicity for himself.
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Precisely!

randeris · Mar 12, 2008

Why are you all talking about like you have to hit big to beat David Haye? He could outbox him.. With Hayes shockingly bad stamina, he could win a decision.. I don't think Cunningham would last though, but Haye should just take the fight so there is nothing that can be said.

Decebal · Mar 12, 2008

randeris said:

Why are you all talking about like you have to hit big to beat David Haye? He could outbox him.. With Hayes shockingly bad stamina, he could win a decision.. I don't think Cunningham would last though, but Haye should just take the fight so there is nothing that can be said.
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Nah...Cunninghamn could not hurt him and he's be out for the shower by the fourth round, for sure...pointless to even talk about this fight. Haye had nothing to prove in the division after Mormeck and he certainly hasn't anything to prove now, especially not to Cunningham.

DamonD · Mar 12, 2008

Cobbler said:

I know. And there's the bottom line. Cunningham has no intention of fighting Haye, he knows it won't happen as he brings nothing to the table and if he's not completely delusional he knows he'd be sparked.

He's just trying to cash in on somebody elses success and star quality to gain a bit of cheap publicity for himself.
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Totally right, it's just the same stuff as Warren was doing with Enzo before he got duped into signing the Haye fight.

It doesn't matter a damn how ready the “USS” Cunningham engines are, this simply is a fight that's not going to happen.

If him and his fans want to believe it's because Haye is somehow terrified of him then they're welcome to that little slice of insanity. In the real world, everyone knows that Haye has his sights set on the HW divison and simply does not want to spend any more time in a division where he is already seen as the number one guy.

Cunningham has absolutely nothing Haye wants.

PowerPuncher · Mar 12, 2008

Haye's ducking Cunningham to fight bums like Wlad Klitchko, Vitali and Sam Peter

BTW Cunningham is a paper champ, David Haye is the Man, Linear Champ, Ring Champ, WBC, WBA, WBO

rusticraver · Mar 12, 2008

This would last about a round, If you haven't got power to keep Haye off your in serious trouble

BigReg · Mar 12, 2008

I'm seeing a lot of bull**** in this thread. First, I see some are falsly claiming that Bell vacated the IBF belt. That's not true. He was stripped in April of 2006 for not fighting his mandatory challenger. And who was his mando? That's right, Steve Cunningham. So if Bell does the right thing and fights Cunningham, Cunningham might very well have all 3 major titles right now; making him a true undisputed champion. And to those claiming that Bell didn't fight Cunningham because he wanted to rematch Mormeck, that's also not true. Bell beat Mormeck in Jan. 2006, was stripped in April of 2006, and didn't fight Mormeck again until March of 2007. This guy sat around for over a year and fought nobody, yet you guys call the IBF corrupt for stripping him.

I also see people posting that it's convienant that Cunningham calls out Haye now. When was he supposed to call him out? Haye won the belts in November. By that time, Cunningham had a fight setup against Huck. Cunningham beat Huck in late December. By the time Cunningham beat Huck, Haye was signed to fight Maca(despite claiming he was moving up in weight). In early January, Cunningham went on a Philly radio station and said he wanted the winner of Haye/Macca. Later that month(or maybe early Feb), he went on ESPN and restated that he wanted the winner of Haye/Macca. So let's not act as if he's not serious here. Not only is he callng him out, he's proposing a place and a date.

Let's get real here people. Cunningham is a more than deserving challenger. He's beaten multiple top 10 guys, he's improved relatively fast, and he's willing to go anywhere to fight anyone. Bell wouldn't fight him in a fight that could've made Cunningham the undisputed champ. Macca wouldn't fight him in a unification bout. Now Haye is turning him down in bout that could crown a undisputed and super unified champ. How is Cunningham supposed to be a legit champ in some of you people's eyes, when the other champions won't fight him, despite the fact that he's earned a shot?

Shaolin Box · Mar 12, 2008

These guys need to get this on. Haye has some unfinished business at Cruiserweight.

BigReg · Mar 12, 2008

And for those calling people idiots who don't consider Haye undisputed, you're also off base. Many people consider undisputed to mean that fighter holds the WBC,WBA, and IBF titles all at once. This is not to say that this is the only standard, but it's one standard that people use. Here's a little history behind the term;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undisputed_Champion

here's an excerpt;

"the term Undisputed Champion commonly refers to a boxer that currently holds the (WBC)
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world championship, and (WBA)
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MattMattMatt · Mar 12, 2008

BigReg said:

I'm seeing a lot of bull**** in this thread. First, I see some are falsly claiming that Bell vacated the IBF belt. That's not true. He was stripped in April of 2006 for not fighting his mandatory challenger. And who was his mando? That's right, Steve Cunningham. So if Bell does the right thing and fights Cunningham, Cunningham might very well have all 3 major titles right now; making him a true undisputed champion. And to those claiming that Bell didn't fight Cunningham because he wanted to rematch Mormeck, that's also not true. Bell beat Mormeck in Jan. 2006, was stripped in April of 2006, and didn't fight Mormeck again until March of 2007. This guy sat around for over a year and fought nobody, yet you guys call the IBF corrupt for stripping him.

I also see people posting that it's convienant that Cunningham calls out Haye now. When was he supposed to call him out? Haye won the belts in November. By that time, Cunningham had a fight setup against Huck. Cunningham beat Huck in late December. By the time Cunningham beat Huck, Haye was signed to fight Maca(despite claiming he was moving up in weight). In early January, Cunningham went on a Philly radio station and said he wanted the winner of Haye/Macca. Later that month(or maybe early Feb), he went on ESPN and restated that he wanted the winner of Haye/Macca. So let's not act as if he's not serious here. Not only is he callng him out, he's proposing a place and a date.

Let's get real here people. Cunningham is a more than deserving challenger. He's beaten multiple top 10 guys, he's improved relatively fast, and he's willing to go anywhere to fight anyone. Bell wouldn't fight him in a fight that could've made Cunningham the undisputed champ. Macca wouldn't fight him in a unification bout. Now Haye is turning him down in bout that could crown a undisputed and super unified champ. How is Cunningham supposed to be a legit champ in some of you people's eyes, when the other champions won't fight him, despite the fact that he's earned a shot?
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When Bell was stripped of the title in April 2006, Cunningham didn't really have the kind of record that warrants a title shot. But the main point remains, Haye is moving on to more difficult challenges - what person in their right mind would duck Cunningham to get in the ring with Wlad, Peter or Vitali?!

sean · Mar 12, 2008

BigReg said:

I'm seeing a lot of bull**** in this thread. First, I see some are falsly claiming that Bell vacated the IBF belt. That's not true. He was stripped in April of 2006 for not fighting his mandatory challenger. And who was his mando? That's right, Steve Cunningham. So if Bell does the right thing and fights Cunningham, Cunningham might very well have all 3 major titles right now; making him a true undisputed champion. And to those claiming that Bell didn't fight Cunningham because he wanted to rematch Mormeck, that's also not true. Bell beat Mormeck in Jan. 2006, was stripped in April of 2006, and didn't fight Mormeck again until March of 2007. This guy sat around for over a year and fought nobody, yet you guys call the IBF corrupt for stripping him.

I also see people posting that it's convienant that Cunningham calls out Haye now. When was he supposed to call him out? Haye won the belts in November. By that time, Cunningham had a fight setup against Huck. Cunningham beat Huck in late December. By the time Cunningham beat Huck, Haye was signed to fight Maca(despite claiming he was moving up in weight). In early January, Cunningham went on a Philly radio station and said he wanted the winner of Haye/Macca. Later that month(or maybe early Feb), he went on ESPN and restated that he wanted the winner of Haye/Macca. So let's not act as if he's not serious here. Not only is he callng him out, he's proposing a place and a date.

Let's get real here people. Cunningham is a more than deserving challenger. He's beaten multiple top 10 guys, he's improved relatively fast, and he's willing to go anywhere to fight anyone. Bell wouldn't fight him in a fight that could've made Cunningham the undisputed champ. Macca wouldn't fight him in a unification bout. Now Haye is turning him down in bout that could crown a undisputed and super unified champ. How is Cunningham supposed to be a legit champ in some of you people's eyes, when the other champions won't fight him, despite the fact that he's earned a shot?
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i do not dispute your timeline, who said what and when, what happened what and when.

i do not dispute cunningham is a better fighter than my countryman think , having seen him 5 times now.

but haye did say since he has turned pro, he wanted to win a cruiserweight title and then move up to heavy.

he did win the title and did plan to move up to heavy.

only a $2 million offer from frank warren to fight his fighter temperarily changed his mind as money talks as we all know in boxing.

if cunningham were to offer a no strings attached $2 million offer you would get your wish for a haye v cunningham fight.

BigReg · Mar 12, 2008

MattMattMatt said:

When Bell was stripped of the title in April 2006, Cunningham didn't really have the kind of record that warrants a title shot. But the main point remains, Haye is moving on to more difficult challenges - what person in their right mind would duck Cunningham to get in the ring with Wlad, Peter or Vitali?!
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No one is saying Haye is ducking anyone. However, it looks like Wlad is going to fight Thompsion, then Povetkin, and then possibly Peter. Peter has to fight Vitali next, and then will probably go after Wlad. Vitali probably won't even make it out training camp to fight Peter. As a result, Haye is not going to have shot at either one of those guys until late 2009. Chagaev is going to have to fight Valuev. Haye won't have a shot at that belt until late 2008 or early 2009. In the interim, Cunningham is proposing a fight in May.

Shake · Mar 12, 2008

Haye doesn't need to fight Cunningham. It wouldn't prove anything he hasn't already proven.

Odo · Mar 12, 2008

iceman said:

Cunningham fought well against the overrated Huck but Haye is on a different level to Huck.Cunningham doesn't have enough power to even bother Haye.
Haye KO6
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Cunningham fought a very smart and intelligent fight against Huck who hadnt been overrated at all in the first place.
Lets not forget that Huck had almost schooled(especially in the later rounds) a true top gun before:Vadim Tokarev!
Yep! You are right in saying that Cunningham lacks firepower.I,too,wouldnt bet any money on Cunningham against Haye.Nevertheless it is totally exagerated to claim that Haye is on a different level.Like so many fighters before and after him Haye couldnt take out Ismail Abdoul.Haye is the present king of the castle,but there are a lot of knights who could make the water very hot for him.
I for my part would give someone like Hernandez,Alexeev,or Arslan a good shot against Haye.

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