Steve Cunningham: Haye fights like an amateur

Haye kills Cunningham right now.

Steve needs to focus on the winner of Adamek vs Bell.

 

Nobody cares.

Haye is the undisputed champion, nobody apart from you disagrees with it.

He is seen as the undisputed champion by 99% of people, why would he hang around at cruiserweight to KO some bum for the IBF just to appease a handful of people?

He's proven himself as the man at cruiserweight, now he can move on to pastures new.

 

Haye is an explosive, exciting fighter who knocks people out and Cunningham is more of a defensive tactician, so of course Haye will be looking better beating those B B- guys.

IMO Huck is a bit better than Maccarinelli.

 

Yeah you can tell it works so well. Calzaghe is a ***** for not fighting Bute, he is not undisputed, and has unfinished business at SMW. Same with Pavlik, that guy needs to prove himself against Sturm and Abraham before being recognised as the best in his division.

 

BigReg, use some common sense will you.

Haye won all the belts Mormeck held, he would have held the IBF if Mormeck hadn't had to relinquish it.

He also has the WBO and probably most of all he's The Ring magazine champion.

He's undisputed, get over it.

 

**** it. David Haye is IBF champion anyway. Bell was stripped of that belt just before he lost the rematch with Mormeck. In theory, after beating Mormeck and Maccarinelli, Haye has the lot. The IBF title is rendered meaningless in this instance.

WBC/WBA/IBF/WBO and Ring Magazine champion...David 'The Hayemaker' Haye!

 

Given that 'undisputed' is an unofficial title anyway, what does it actually mean? There are always worthy contenders in a division no matter how dominant the champ. To my mind, undisputed just refers to the 'man' in the division who has made it very clear he is top dog by unifying, and has at least a couple of belts won from good fighters in his division. I consider Pavlik, Haye, Calzaghe and Campbell undisputed at the moment. No one else.

There is more to being undisputed than simply having 3 belts. What if Kessler had fought Stieglitz for Calzaghe's IBF belt when he got stripped. He would have WBC, WBA and IBF, but would that make him undisputed with Calzaghe still in the division?

Its about beating the man with the belts, or becoming the man by unifying some of them against the best titleholders in the division.

 

Haye's flawed, but exciting. It makes no sense to hang around and fight cunningham when he can go into the heavyweight division and instantly become the most interesting character in there.

I don't think he'd get close enough to Klitshcko to have a prayer if they fought, but he will sell a lot of merchandise and make a lot of money before he has to face that scenario. Moving up to HW is the best decision he could've made.

Cunningham needs Haye a lot more than Haye needs Cunningham. Cunningham'll clean up at CW for the next while, but he'd have made a lot more money doing it had he raised his profile with a fight against Haye.

Mac V Cunningham would be interesting.

 

BIGREG, what are your thoughts on my previous post regarding undisputed status?

 

Pretty much. Mormeck was not even in the picture really after getting KO'd by Bell. There wasn't any word of a rematch, at least not in the near future at the time. Bell screwed things up by going a bit psycho (from what I've heard), and the Bell/Mormeck II fight was pretty much signed because of Bell's inactivity for the time being. After that close fight, Mormeck could've possibly given Bell another shot...and at this time the word was that Haye was "nobody" compared to Cunningham.

 

As I said a couple of days ago, BigReg, you're just arguing semantics now.

You say that Haye is the 'number one' at Cruiserweight but not 'undisputed'. But if Haye and Cunningham had both fought exactly the same opposition with exactly the same results, but the IBF had chosen not to strip Bell, then Haye would be undisputed.

You give the decisions of governing bodies more credence than what happens in the ring.

Haye's goal was to become the number one at cruiserweight, then move up to heavyweight. Most people would consider him undisputed. You choose a different definition of the word that places the emphasis on trinkets rather than achievements. But, even if we go with your definition, Haye has no interest in being undisputed in the way you define it. He wanted to be number one, he's not sticking around for another trinket.

 

Bigreg, you live in the past mate. Times have changed, the IBF is no longer a 'better' belt than the WBO, despite what you post from wiki-****ing-pedia. True boxing fans know the score, and know Haye is the man, full stop. You are failing to understand Steve poses no positives to David, nothing. He is already recognised as the unifeid champ, except by you and cunningham himself. You are painting Cunningham as a great guy here, you do realise he is mainly saying these things because he knows Haye won't stay at 200. And you take the bate because he is a Philly boy. We understand the IBF is still a belt, but come on, you are fooling yourself. Hand on heart do you believe Steve wants to fight Haye? I don't.

Do you work for the IBF?

 

That's subjective to say the IBF is no longer recognized as a championship belt. In terms of undisputed, or without question/dispute, it would also become subjective as some people feel the IBF has no validity as a major championship belt (which to my belief is WBC,IBF,WBA,WBO). To then say Haye is undisputed, he'd have to be without question the Cruiserweight champion. As BigReg and myself believe the IBF is a major championship belt and therefore Cunningham is a Cruiserweight champion. So therefore it is disputed that Haye is the only champion. BUT, this is still subjective and we can go on for another 40 pages on our ideas of what belts are important and what ones aren't.