STEWARD... DUVA... DUNDEE... CLANCY... Their top 10 lists.

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  1. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    I recently showed the `end of century` top 10 p4p list, well here are the top 10 lists for each judge (Don Chargin didnt want his list to be printed for whatever ****ed up reason)

    Emanuel steward
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    1. Muhammad Ali
    2. Sugar Ray Robinson
    3. Henry Armstrong
    4. Joe Louis
    5. Willie Pep
    6. Sam Langford
    7. Roberto Duran
    8. George Foreman
    9. Marvin Hagler
    10. Thomas Hearns



    Lou Duva
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    1. Sugar Ray Robinson
    2. Joe Louis
    3. Rocky Marciano
    4. Muhammad Ali
    5. Sandy Saddler
    6. Willie Pep
    7. Joey Giardiello
    8. Jake Lamotta
    9. Sugar Ray Leonard
    10. Pernell Whitaker



    Angelo Dundee
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    1. Muhammad Ali
    2. Sugar Ray Leonard
    3. Sugar Ray Robinson
    4. Willie Pep
    5. Joe Louis
    6. Rocky Marciano
    7. George Foreman
    8. Carmen Basilio
    9. Luis Rodriguez
    10. Marcel Cerdan



    Gil Clancy
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    1. Willie Pep
    2. Sugar Ray Robinson
    3. Joe Louis
    4. Archie Moore
    5. Muhammad Ali
    6. Rocky Marciano
    7. Harry Greb
    8. Roberto Duran
    9. Sugar Ray Leonard
    10. Harold Johnson



    Thoughts ? :smoke
     
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  2. DINAMITA

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    :yikes:nono
     
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  3. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    theyre basically ****.
     
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  4. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And to think I actually thought these guys knew a lot about boxing. Sure they can train but they are no historians. Foreman, Johnson, Marciano, Cerdan, Giardiello, LaMotta, Rodriguez and Hearns none of these guys are top ten p4p the argument for them is very weak. And Manny having Hagler and Hearns and no Leonard and Dundee having Leonard over Robinson when Leonard admits he is no Robinson talk about bias.
     
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  5. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Potentially worse lists then our most uninformed members.
     
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  6. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    What, no Monzon on Clancy's list?
     
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  7. True Writer

    True Writer Active Member Full Member

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    Those lists are biased, and pretty crap.
     
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  8. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    I know, its hard not to call Dundee biased when he has 2 guys that he trained (Ali & SRL) above Robinson.

    Its even harder to not call steward biased for the Hearns/Leonard thing.
     
    Bill Butcher, Jan 10, 2009
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  9. OBCboxer

    OBCboxer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I have no problem placing Louis ahead of Ali but not Marciano. Armstrong should atleats be number 3. Dundee is a biased idiot. Duran should be higher as well as Whitaker. Foreman is a big no-no. Hearns and Hagler shouldn't be in the top 10.
     
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  10. $.02

    $.02 Undisputed Heavyweight Full Member

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    Hearns belongs there. I cannot beleive so many here underrate this guiy. Look at how many weight classes he knocked out guys in and won titles in.

    As long as Frazier is not in any of them. I remember a while back some trainers thought he was top ten P4P, The nMike Tyson came along...and well..you know:yep
     
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  11. OBCboxer

    OBCboxer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hearns is good but there are more deserving fighters like:

    Bob Fitzsimmons, Sam Langford, Ezzard Charles, Eder Jofre, Benny Leonard.
     
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  12. Rebel-INS

    Rebel-INS Mighty Healthy Full Member

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    Hearns is my favourite fighter of all time, but I have to agree.
     
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  13. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I can see Dundee putting his guys top 3 and Steward putting Hearns in top 10 and Duva putting sweat pea in yop 10...that was there creation....They all put Ali and Marciano in top 6 pretty good for a heavy in a LB4LB list
     
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  14. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Marciano made 3/4 lists & Armstrong made 1/4.... those old men are losing their minds I swear.
     
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  15. OBCboxer

    OBCboxer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I would have to agree.
     
    OBCboxer, Jan 10, 2009
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