Steward to Klit after the 11the v Ibragimov - "If you win a decision, it's not good"

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  1. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    :huh

    Not sure what you are saying there.

    However, Wlad's knockout ratio is just fine. I don't think that Manny is stupid enough to assume that Wlad will need to win every fight by knockout. Manny knows a bit more about boxing than that, doesn't he? I am sure that Manny would love for every fight to end in knockout, and will ride Klitschko throughout the fight to keep him alert, and keep him active. However, Manny said himself after the fight that due to the way Ibragimov chose to fight, Wlad was never really in the right position to go for a knockout. So... what's the argument here? Manny already answered the questions that are being asked.
     
  2. KobeIsGod

    KobeIsGod Who Necks?!? Full Member

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    dude he did at least compared to the previous 7 or 8. that's the way he fights. he's not gonna throw 40 or 50 power shots per round. at his best, he will throw 30-40 jabs/round and 10 to 15 power shots per round. iggy showed a good chin late though. he's calcualting and methodical. his old style would have him fighting like a middleweight throwing power shots non-stop. exciting to watch no doubt, but hardly sustainable for a big man weighing 240+
     
  3. Punisher33

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    Well, I always let my feelings be known about Wlad at ESB, I will be honest and say, Wlad can be excting fighter when he wants to be, we seen that in the Peter fight, and in the first Brewster fight, but rather than exchanging punches with his oppenent, he rather jab and grab his way to victory anymore, instead of giving his fans and haters a the pleasure of seeing him in a enertaining fight.
     
  4. McGrain

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    We are not discussing the public here.

    We are discussing Manny Steward.
     
  5. WiDDoW_MaKeR

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    It's just kind of funny and ironic to hear this coming from a Peter fan. I mean, Wlad has only had 2 fights go the distance in the last 7 years! Sam Peter has had 5 of his last 7 fights go the distance. How can you sit and bash Wlad knowing this?
     
  6. McGrain

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    You said that Manny was trying to get his man to be careful incase Ibragimov went for broke, that he is like a jockey trying to "get his man across the finish line".

    I am asking if you are saying that Manny isn't ACTUALLY asking Klitschko to throw more punches, to go for the knockot, and that, instead, as you have hinted, he is using these specific phrases to hint a threat he does not otherwise identify.
     
  7. KobeIsGod

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    steward was correct to berate wlad. he wasn't being aggressive enough. like i said, wlad stepped it up late but he got started too far into the match. he has to find his rhythm, then he's becomes boxing's best puncher. it's not all on wlad though, iggy ran and made himself a small target

    ill be concerned if he looks tentative against thompson though but i expect another hi-lite ko i can throw into the Punisher's grill :D
     
  8. Tunney5

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    What Manny saw was a lot of people from the would be very hard on Wlad, despite his winning a dominant decision! What he heard was a chorus of boos because Wlad was hesitant by times, since he didn't want to miss with a big right and find himself off balance. He saw they expected Wlad to KO the undefeated WBO titleholder Sultan, although he had never been stopped before.

    Perhaps Manny knew what they wouldn't report is that the southpaw Ibragimov is rather tricky with his feints, and causes his opponents to be hesitant like Wlad was that night, and like Briggs and Holyfield were last year. Holyfield talked about Ibragimov's style after his fight in Moscow...

    A better question is perhaps, what have I seen, that maybe you haven't, that indicates some people are much too hard on Wlad? Answer: an extremely negative reation to Wladimir's winning a dominant decision and unifying two world heavyweight titles. :-(
     
  9. McGrain

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    Tell me!
     
  10. Tunney5

    Tunney5 Active Member Full Member

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    Did you read the last two lines of my post?
     
  11. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    Here is Manny Steward BEFORE Wlad vs Ibragimov, already stating that it will be a difficult fight, and that he felt Ibragimov is the best guy that Wlad has faced. Obviously he knew going in that Sultan wasn't a push over.
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    Here is Klitschko and Steward after the fight...

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  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Oh, yeah, well I knew that.

    I feel deflated, I thought that was going to be a Road To Damascus moment.
     
  13. WiDDoW_MaKeR

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    I already answered this question in the part of the post that you did not quote.
     
  14. 2ironmt

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    He meant "or". The point is the Wlad fought safe too (much like Iggy) and his point is that Steward wanted wlad to make it an intersting fight by throwing more and taking a few chances. IMO Steward wasn't simply trying to keep Wlad focused to avoid a late inning onslaught by Iggy. Rather Steward knew that Wlad could easily put a huring on him if he opened up a little bit and Wlad should at least try and make the fight somewhat entertaining.
     
  15. McGrain

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    So to be clear - you think that Manny is not genuinely asking Klitchko to punch more/go for the KO in the corner but he IS being genuine when he says a KO was impossible after the fight?