Steward to Klit after the 11the v Ibragimov - "If you win a decision, it's not good"

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  1. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    :patsch That's all that I needed to hear. You make no sense at all.

    1. If Manny was deeply concerned about Wlad's psyche, then he wouldn't have basically belittled him in the corner between rounds. That's common sense. If he felt that Wlad lacks confidence in himself, he wouldn't try and make the problem worse by acting as if he is disappointed in him during the fight.

    2. If Manny knew that Wlad wasn't that good, then he wouldn't have expected more out of him than he got against Ibragimov. He would have been content with the way the fight was going, and sure as hell wouldn't have been pushing Wlad to take more risks... as you say that he was. Hell, even Lennox Lewis said that. If anything... Manny's actions would be proof that he knows Wlad is BETTER than he was showing.
     
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  2. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    I have the fight on tape and didn't really hear the crowd booing Klitschko. I guess I will have to go back and watch it again. If a crowd did boo Wladimir who was beating Brewster around the ring, and stopped him in 6 rounds... then yes they do suck.
     
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  3. McGrain

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    He tries to nudge him and I think yes, the comment after the 11th was a bit of a nuclear bomb, that is probably the right word. Why? What do you want him to do?! Give him a cuddle?! If he wants to try to get him to punch (which he was very, very, very, very, very reluctant to do) he's going to put pressure on him to punch! THese men don't work in the UN, they aren't reading Cosmo articles entitled "how to get peoples do things wivout huwting their feewings at awl". Emmanuel Stward is a fight trainer, not a psychiatrist.

    YOU are the one making no sense, what else is he going to do to try to make the boy throw more punches? How about taking the approach YOU falsely claimed he was taking in your first post in this thread, "telling Wlad he is doing perfectly"? How the **** can that ever work?! Seriously?!

    I promise you, there is plenty of space between what Wlad gave versus Ibragimov and the best possible opinion a trainer can have of a fighter. Your logic is incomplete at best, non-exsistant at worst.

    Again, nonsense. Even club fighters take more risks against opponents they outclass in order to explore repotoire/catch promoters eyes.

    You are making **** up and it is a waste of my time.

    See this here? This is true. It can be entirely exclusive - indeed it IS totally exclusive - from the rantings above and it is still true.

    Terrible, terrible post.
     
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  4. Tunney5

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    Read my post again. Are you saying that Toney and Maskaev were PRIME top 25 heavyweights? Toney was definitely shot, as we saw in his next fight aginst Batchelder, and he isn't a natural heavyweight anyway. Are you saying that Maskaev was in his prime at age 39, considering his injuries and inactivity? He seemed old and shot in his slow movements in the fight.

    Peter's wins are no more impressive than Ibragimov's. McCline was ranked in the 40s by BoxRec and the IBO before he fought Peter, and is currently BoxRec #53 and IBO #55. He will drop further in the April IBO update because of the wide decision loss to Ruiz. Ray Austin was ranked much higher than McCline when he fought Sultan, and is still #35 on the IBO list.
     
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  5. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    Wow... you read so much more into this than is needed. :lol: Your posts do nothing but contradict themselves. What are you searching for? Do you want people to believe that Manny did that because he knows Wlad isn't that good? That is what you basically just said.:lol: Wow. You try to say that Manny was telling Wlad to throw more punches.... because he knows that Wlad isn't that good. That makes absolutely no damn sense whatsoever.:rofl
     
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  6. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Who did Wlad beat in there prime, Iggy and Brock? These guy's suck, the one hasnt beaten anyone good, the other beat nothing but has beens, Wlads best win is either a 25 yearold green Peter, or Bryd back in 00 or 01, niether of which will ever make it to the Boxing hall of fame. Wlad is the one-eyed leader in the land of of the blind, he is a skilled, mentally weak fighter, not an elite champion as some on ESB suggest.
     
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  7. Asterion

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    He should have told that to Wlad before the 11th round.
     
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  8. McGrain

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    Yeah, what a ridiculous post I made well done picking it apart so expertely. Here:

    Chagaev would beat Klitshcko.

    Just saying THAT doesn't make it true either.

    Manny may have been telling Wlad to throw more punches because he is not sure that Wlad would be capable of doing so in a pressure situation.

    Clear enough?
     
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  9. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    By McGrain's way of thinking, which is that Manny was talking to Wlad like that because he knows that Wlad isn't that good. McGrain must think that Manny thought Lennox Lewis was absolute **** for the way that he was screaming at him during the Tyson fight.:lol:
     
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  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    This has been very carefully explained to you. I can't help it if you don't undersand and start speaking to -who?- about it.

    Lennox Lewis - excellent point. Lewis was far, far to reticent against Tyson in that fight and he got a proper row. So did Klitchko. But in your world Manny was sending secret messages to Klitschko AND lying to him because of the media, rather than telling the truth.

    The mind boggles.
     
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  11. Farmboxer

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    Steward has also said that Vlad is the best heavyweight in the world many times. Check out his statements after the fight also.

    I remember when Steward yelled at Lewis, Hearns, Kenty, etc.

    The extreme hatred of Vlad will always be, but it gets worst the better Vlad gets. I wonder how Vlad won the gold medal back in 1996 at age 20?!
     
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  12. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    I would appreciate it if you stopped putting words in my mouth. Thanks. I never said anything about secret messages or lying to him because of the media. When you have to make things up in order to try and make a point... obviously your point isn't strong enough. I don't think that I need to repeat myself again, just because you aren't bright enough to understand what was already typed.
     
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  13. WiDDoW_MaKeR

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    He won the gold medal because he isn't that good. Steward knows this, ask McGrain.:lol: He has informed us that Steward tells his fighters to do things that he don't think they can do... because he doesn't think they are that good. It's so clear now... I don't see why this didn't come to me earlier.:rofl
     
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  14. Tunney5

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    Why do you think Wlad's dominating win and stopping of a prime, highly-ranked McCline seven years ago was not a good win, while you consider Peter's controversially close decision win over a lower ranked McCline was better? Especially since Peter went down three times against the older, slower version of Jameel.

    I agree with you though, that Peter will never make it into the HOF. I think prime Byrd was a much better win for Wlad than prime Peter.
     
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  15. McGrain

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    You said that Manny was telling Klitschko to go for the knock out and increase punching because he wanted Klitschko to do these things, but rather because he was worried about the Ibragimov "going for broke".

    This is a chypher. Manny is not asking him to do the things that he is asking him to do, rather making him aware of some other danger (unamed). This is what you have said.

    "Of course Manny takes the media and the public into consideration [in the corner]."

    Direct quote.
     
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