Steward to Klit after the 11the v Ibragimov - "If you win a decision, it's not good"

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  1. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Who cares who won a gold medal or not, didnt Fraudley and Biggs win gold medals in the olympics too? What you do in the pro's is what matters, the olympics are just the minor leagues.
     
  2. Raging B(_)LL

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    Let me start off by saying that I am not a W.Klit hater at all, and have enjoyed watching him in the past many times. But with that said his performance against Ibragimov was pathetic, and to fight the way he did in the Mecca of boxing that is MSG really turned away a lot of people from the heavyweight division if not boxing altogether. He held significant advantages over his man in height and reach and it is smart to use them to your advantage, but by the 7th or 8th round he really should have opened up on his smaller foe and gotten him out of there.

    Had he started pressuring Sultan and throwing the right hand with more regularity and short left hooks on the inside whn they got close he would have flattened him, but instead he was so tentative throughout the bout that he looked downright scared to get hit by anything, and it is starting to look more and more in my opinion that he has regressed as a fighter in his last few fights.

    Early in his career this guy was a destroyer knocking out guys left and right with venom, now he is a safety first jabber who is reluctant to even throw a right hand which is his best punch and that has the power to flatten anyone in the division, and unless he starts regaining his old form I believe more and more people will stop caring about him and who he fights next as they will be expecting another snoozefest. I myself am starting to feel that way, and I know several others who readily agree with me.
     
  3. WiDDoW_MaKeR

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    I think Teddy Atlas gave the best answer. He said that he felt that it was very bad advice. He also said that he really respects Manny as a trainer, but that he believes Manny was saying that to Wlad in between rounds because of the way that Manny has built Wlad up in the public eye. That Manny had been talking to much about Wlad being such a great heavyweight that he wanted Wlad to knock Ibragimov out to justify his remarks.

    Manny set himself up for this by repeatedly saying "Wladimir is the only heavyweight out there who goes out and knocks people out. That's what people want to see, and he is the only guy who is going out and knocking his opponents out". Everyone knows that every fight can't end in a knockout and I think that Manny was putting too much pressure on Wlad to force a knockout that wasn't there. Again... I think part of what he was saying though was only to keep Wlad aware and alert for the knockout, when it presented itself... which would have been at any time that Sultan actually would open up and try to win the fight. Unfortunately Sultan never bothered to try and open up, so that opportunity never presented itself.
     
  4. McGrain

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    You are making this up, I didn't say this.

    I think that Klitschko IS CAPABLE of opening up, physiccally and technically.

    What I said was that Manny is worried that Klitschko is not capable of doing this in a pressure sitation from a mental perspective when speculating as to reasons why Manny may have been bringing this pressre to bare in the corner.

    Fake hysteria is easier to carry off if you have a clue what you are meant to be pretending to laugh at.
     
  5. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    Name the last snoozefest that happened in Wlad's career. I would love to hear this. His last 4 fights before his fight with Iggy all ended in knockout... so you are going to have to dig for a while.
     
  6. Punisher33

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    Bryd aint making in the Hall of Fame either, at least he shouldnt be. I never said the Mccline feat was a good win for either one, Mccline was more gassed out, than knocked out versus Wlad back in 02. If Peter was given more time to prepare for Mccline, I feel he would of knocked him out, but that's just my opinion.
     
  7. WiDDoW_MaKeR

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    Wlad wan't in a pressure situation. You are making no sense. Wlad WAS IN FACT in a pressure situation against Sam Peter, and showed that he could open up, and overcome, mentally, phsyically and technically. I am pretty sure that Manny saw that fight. Also, Manny started saying the same things to Wald in the Brock fight, and Wlad went on to brutally knock Brock out afterwards. So again.. what you are saying makes no sense.
     
  8. Farmboxer

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    LOL!!!!!!!

    Steward can't wait for Vlad to get Peter back into the ring, so what does that say about Peter if the bigots are right? Of couse, they are not right, they are so jealous about Vlad knocking out all their heroes. The haters were saying that Austin would knock Vlad out, Don King was in Germany bragging about that one, oops? Vlad is cleaning out the entire heavyweight division. I wonder if Vlad should knock Peter out after Vitali knocks him out?

    About Austin; they were claiming that Vlad would get knocked out by Austin because Austin is 6 feet 6 inches tall, too tall for Vlad. Check out the fact that Vlad is taller than Austin, 6'6" McCline, 6'6" Jefferson, etc. They will say anything about Vlad as long as it's bad. Nothing good ever said. Compare Vlad with Peter, Peter looks like he is in slow motion, off balance, pot belly, sucks wind, but they claim that Peter is so good, hear all the crap out how good a boxer Peter is? And now they are claiming that Hayes will knock out Vlad, should get a shot at Vlad's titles, yet Haye has done nothing. It will never stop. THE CROWD IN GERMANY WAS BOOING BREWSTER FOR QUITING ON HIS STOOL, THEY WERE "NOT" BOOING VLAD.
     
  9. McGrain

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    I ALREADY SAID THIS YOU IDIOT!!! TO YOU!!!

    It's in a post that I made in response to one of yours. Incredible.
     
  10. Punisher33

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    Great post, I'm in agreement, especially when you mentioned Wlads fear of being hit, something I seen since he fought Brewster the first time, and now finally people are seeing what I first saw nearly 4 years ago. It's only a matter of time before someone comes in and test Wlads toughness, and eventually knocks out the mentally weak Wlad.
     
  11. McGrain

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    This is how I see it BUT, he does have the chance to turn it around.

    I honestly beleive that his FEAR of his having a bad chin could potentially do him more harm than the chin itself. He's got the punches to take boys out with less risk than most fighters because of his height and technical excellence.

    But if he's in with a technically good fighter who can punch, reticence and a questionable chin = doom.
     
  12. WiDDoW_MaKeR

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    I love how when I completely demolish your post, you only pick out one little sentence and try to argue it.
     
  13. Punisher33

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    I hear that, look for an aggressive, powerful punching, good chinned fighter to be the one to do it, that's why I still feel Peter has the best chance of doing this, but he needs to get in better shape and improve his punching technique, by straighting his punches out a little bit, if I see him improve on that, I would have no problem in favoring him against Wlad if they choose to fight again.
     
  14. McGrain

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    Is this a joke?

    In looking through this thread you will see repeatedly that i've broken your posts up into small parts and dealt with each part one at a time. And that you, conversely, have dealt with only a fraction of each of my posts.

    You've also ignored entire posts by me.

    Now, it's true, I didn't break up your last post. That's becuase the very first line was you repeating something to me that i'd already told you - and laughing because it was so ridiculous that I didn't understand this.

    You've changed your story on Manny in the corner since the beggining of the thread.

    First he was "telling him everything he was doing was perfect" then he was telling him things that he didn't really want him to do and finally hyou were "disgusted by him" because he did mean what he was telling him and that was the wrong thing to say.

    As I said, I was trying to go easy becase i've seen you get it tough for supporting your fighter, but for the record - you are possibly the worst nuthugger on this site. You seem entirely unable to admit any flaw with your fighter. Which is ludicrous.
     
  15. McGrain

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    Widdow Maker, this whole post rests upon the opening line. You are indicating that I don't think that Klitschko has ever been in a pressure situation when I never said that. You also seem to think that I said that Klit WAS in a pressure situation when I said the opposite.

    The only reason you think THIS post demolishes MY post is because you think these things. Which I don't.

    Fair enough? Not really. Because I'd already explained my position in an earlier post.