Steward to Klit after the 11the v Ibragimov - "If you win a decision, it's not good"

McGrain...

What is the argument here? I am saying that Manny was pushing Wlad for a knockout due to the fact that the fans and media want to see a knockout. That even if the knockout wasn't there... Manny was getting on Wlad, in a way that would have Wlad seeking the knockout when it presented itself. However, it never presented itself, and the knockout just wasn't there. What I meant by Sultan going for broke is that not only would he be keeping Wlad alert for the danger of that happening... but for the opportunity to knock Iggy out if Iggy was to open up. Be ready and take advantage of it. It didn't happen.

You are saying that Manny was pushing Wlad because he is deeply concerned about Wlad's psyche and that he knows that Wlad isn't that good.


I am the crazy one here? What you are saying makes no sense. Wlad has already shown the ability to persevere and overcome in a high pressure situation. He has shown the ability and confidence to get up off the canvas and win a fight. He has came back from embarrassing defeats to become the #1 Heavyweight in the world and Unified Champion. He already showed against Brock that he could step up the pace after a lackluster first 4 rounds to take over the fight and brutally knock Brock out. You have no basis for your claim. Mine is quite simple, and seems to follow the pattern of how Steward has dealt with all of his fighters. He always pushes them a little bit in the corner if the fight is not going along exactly how he wants it. Sometimes he goes absolutely ape**** on them. He is a motivator. He also changes what he says every other day. The man is simply trying to guide Wladimir to having the best career that he possibly can have. He wants Wlad to knock all of his opponents out, and have no harsh criticism from the fans and media. However I am sure that he understand realistically, every fight can't end in knockout. You are reading so far into it that you have yourself turned inside out and upside down. You are claiming that he is pushing his fighter to do things that he don't think he can do... and that he doesn't think Wlad is that good.... it's just silly.

 

So you don't consider winning Gold in the Olympics to be a worthwhile achievement? :huh

Although there are exceptions like Harrison, the boxers who've won gold in the Olympics often go on to successful professional careers. Examples are Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield, George Foreman, Joe Frazier and Muhammed Ali. And of course, Wladimir Klitschko, who won gold in the 1996 Olympics, has gone on to a very successful pro career, currently having two of the four world titles! :good

 

I agree, winning a medal in the Olympics is a very great achievement, but it's equivelant to the minor leagues in baseball, not every first round draft pick turns out to be a star, just like every medal winner in boxing doesnt always become champ.

 

What's your point? Wlad was a gold medal winner and has become unified Champ. Your posts are making less and less sense.

 

So was Tillman and Audley, none of them became anything, Tillman beat Tyson twice in the amateurs, what happend to him when he fought him in the pro's? He got that ass knocked out when the head gear came off didnt he, what's that prove Widdow?

 

Widdow,

Just because a fight ends in a knockout does not mean it was an exciting battle leading up to the KO, as a boxing fan you should know this. I`ll give you the Austin fight as it was too short to be considered boring, but the Byrd II, Brock, Brewster II and Ibragimov fights left a lot to be desired in my opinion in terms of excitement.

If you feel otherwise thats fine, but for me it doesn`t cut it. You seem willing to give him a pass for anything and everything, and are unwilling to criticize him for what was a very poor showing in his most recent fight and I don`t get it.

Sure, he won the fight, but in what manner? If that outing impressed you I think itis fair to say that you are in the minority then, as I know several people who are big fans of Wlads just like you yet even they felt that was a very poor showing on his part.

I said in my previous post that I don`t hate Wlad, not at all but when I see a performance like that one it leaves a lot to be desired.

 

Remniscent of his words to Jermain Taylor and we know where that led, Manny left.

 

What the ****? What does any of this have to do with Wlad, or Wlad winning the Gold Medal? Obviously we already know that Wlad won a Gold Medal, and is now a Unified Heavyweight World Champion. What is your god damn point man?

 

So it's Wlad's fault (and a problem) that he is too good for his opponents to give him a good battle before he knocks them out? Shame on him. I bet that most people would love to have that problem.

Why would I have to criticize Wlad for his last fight? He dominated an undefeated World Champion and unified titles. It was a boring fight... it happens a lot in boxing. Have you only watched highlight videos, or do you actually watch the sport? Boxing is full of boring fights. Bad stylistic matchups and talent gap lead to MANY boring fights. You can't act like a fighter has a huge problem just because he doesn't knock someone out, especially when his opponent wasn't willing to make a fight out of it. If you want to blame someone for it being boring... blame Ibragimov for being content to lay back and get his ears boxed off rather than trying to put forth an effort to turn the tables and win.

 

What's your point, you called out my post for no reason, all I said was "Who cares", it really doesnt matter what you do in the olympics anymore, what you do in the pro's is what counts.

 

Hold your ****ing horses there bud, your talking to someone who has well over 3000 fights here at home, including many very rare fights that you will never find on any boxing site that advertises fights on the net.

I`ve been following this sport long enough and have boxed myself long enough as well to know a poor showing when I see it, and Wlads performance in his last fight was pathetic and wether you like my choice of words or not I couldn`t care less.

You say Sultan should have tried to make a fight of it eh? Why, so that he can get his head caved in? As the naturally smaller fighter without a punch of course the guy tried to box his significantly larger, stronger and harder hitting foe... had he gone to him and tried to make a brawl of it he would have been stopped.

It was up to WLAD to try and get his smaller, weaker and light-hitting opponent out of there not the other way around. He had all the advantages necessary to make short work of Sultan, instead we were subjected to a dreadfully boring fight due to his being far too hesitant against a no-hoper.

If your impressed by that performance then that is your right, but to try and excuse it is another thing entirely and the fact that you are doing just that reflects poorly on you. I tried being civil with you in my previous posts but no more, it is abundantly clear that you will stoop to any level to try and excuse what was by most accounts a overly cautious performance by a fighter who had all the tools necessary to flatten his foe had he been willing to be the aggressor.

 

So now an undefeated World Champion is a "no hoper"? :-(

 

Considering all the disadvantages that Sultan had going into the fight, yes he was by all means a no hoper. Do pray tell what did he have in his arsenal to potentially win this fight against his, let me repeat it again for you, BIGGER, STRONGER, MUCH HARDER HITTING FOE WHO HELD SIGNIFICANT ADVANTAGES IN HEIGHT AND REACH OVER HIM? Sultan doesn`t even hit hard enough to really hurt Wald, yet the big man fought as if he was in there with freaking George Foreman or Sonny Liston for pete`s sake, thats how much respect he was giving to him. And Sultan ain`t exactly the cream of the crop of the division, holding a title these days means diddly squat for the most part, just look at some of the other so called "titlists" we have today in other divisions. Hey man whatever rocks your boat is your business, and if that kind of performance gets you all hot and bothered then so be bit.