I'm having an internal debate trying to figure out who poses a bigger threat to Floyd....DLH of 2007 or the current Cotto? I'm curious to know what you fellow ESB'rs can come up with.
They're about the same. Oscar was still the better puncher, taller and a better jab. He was always a more intelligent boxer than Cotto in general, as well. Cotto's the more natural pressure fighter, better bodypuncher, is likely a tad quicker than that version of DLH, and is far more committed to the sport. Floyd's also probably declined just a bit in the past few years, so with that in mind, I think Cotto very well could present more problems than DLH managed.
DLH of 2007, he was still a top fighter despite the bull**** some people have been trying to peddle recently.
Excellent points, of course these observations are based on your opinion I I can surely see why you came up with this reply. I agree the two are sort of comparable and as you pointed out while I beleive DLH was the better puncher Cotto has more layers. I also feel the intelligence factor might be a bit misrepresented....Cotto's lulls are caused by over thinking the situation and not implementing enough instinct while DLH had an excellent and equal mix of both.
I agree though I found it somewhat intresting that he never developed an great right hand. Same can be said for Cotto though his right is seemingly coming around and looking sharper than it did earlier in his career prior to the car accident.
About even, IMO. ODLH had the better jab, but was essentially a proven 6 round fighter at that point in his career. Good thread, BTW. Should be some interesting discussion in here.
7 folds your money with Cotto.. Mismatch just like the Ortiz fight. http://www.oddschecker.com/boxing-mma/boxing/floyd-mayweather-v-miguel-cotto/winner
I have a question about online betting: Do you get the odds you initially bet at or the odds that the fight closes at?
DLH's jab was a bit more consistant (only slightly) Cotto's packs more thudd as evidenced in fights where he has literally knocked fighters down with it. I beleive DLH's used his jab better when adding it to a flurry and Cotto has a habit of using it as a main wepon and not when flowing it into a combo.
What you initially bet Giants won me a pretty penny when I put money down for them to win the superbowl right after they beat the Jets.:yep
Can't view the link but I recall Mosely was 12 folds against Margo...I put down on that one and reaped the benefits.
I'd say Cotto at this point. Oscar was only a fight away from retiring Cotto still looks like he's good for acouple more. Oscar didn't seem to even have the power he used on Mayorga when he faced Floyd.
DLH of 2007. He had the size advantage, height/reach, a lot of experience against excellent fighters, combination punching, a great chin, pretty good technical ability and a good jab and left-hook. Even a past prime version was more of a threat than Cotto, mainly because he doesn't come across as vulnerable as Cotto (in regard to either his chin or his defence), Floyd couldn't muscle him around due to the weight, and he had trouble boxing him on the outside due to Hoya's height and reach. Cotto, on the other hand, shouldn't be anywhere near as difficult for Floyd. I can see Floyd beating him by boxing from range, or by walking him down. Probably a combination of the two. Cotto isn't tall and rangy (and he seems to fight in a kind of crouched over style) so his jab is less of a threat -- Floyd can do his usual pull counters or shoulder-roll to deal with it. (Even Pac was countering Cotto's jab with his straight left.) Cotto's left-hook can do damage on the inside, but he's not going to have much chances to use it, as Floyd will nail him on the outside and tie him up at close range. Hatton was a specialist when it came to the left-hook to the body, and he barely landed any good body punches on Floyd in the entire fight. (Floyd is older now, of course, but he's still pretty sharp.) Cotto has decent handspeed when he throws combinations, but he takes too long to set himself and get ready. While he's preparing to punch, Floyd will have already hit him and slipped to the side.
i watched that fight twice this week and cotto is the better fighter of that version in my opinion...he has more pop in his jab he is quicker and hits harder his timing is better and you have a fully motivated cotto that is only 31 de la hoya was past it at that point now add to it that mayweather is older now