*Stiffer comp DLH of 2007 or Cotto of 2012*

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  1. Caper

    Caper How about a fair shake? banned Full Member

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    Even the 2007 version of DLH was less depreciated than the current version of Cotto though I feel DLH had one glaring issue and it was his inability to cut off the ring when he attempted to cut off the ring it seemed unatural and completely deliberate though on occassion he was able to do so. While DLG possessed many of the intangibles (and tangibles) that Cotto does not have such as size and durability he does have more layers when executing from the inside. If Cotto where to position himself on the inside the way DLH was able to do at point in his bout Cotto would surely take more advantage of the opportunity because of his lack of reach. I beleive he would put together better combos to the body, sharper punches with good power because of the angle in which he would pivot when releasing his attack.
     
  2. Caper

    Caper How about a fair shake? banned Full Member

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    Even though DLH put up quite an effort vs Floyd he seemed to try to hard to bring the fight to Floyd and that clearly did not work. DLH was an excellent boxer but I beleive he was more a boxer/puncher which would entail a little bit of counter punching which is lacked during his bout vs Floyd
     
  3. pavlikfan

    pavlikfan Active Member Full Member

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    Oscar was a better fighter than Cotto is now, but he wanted to keep Mayweather happy to benefit GBP in the future, so he didn't give it 100%.

    I can't see how Cotto makes this fight competitive, but I'll still watch sadly.
     
  4. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Stylistically Oscar would always be a tougher match up for PBF than Cotto would be. IMO PBF beats any version of Cotto clearly.
     
  5. DatBo215

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    How anyone honestly believes DHL of 2007 was anything but washed up is beyond me. DHL had showed considerable decline beginning in 2004 struggling with Sturm, then being stopped by BHop, which is nothing to be ashamed of BHop is an ATG, however it was clear then and after that fight DHL was on the decline. He took nearly 2 years off, to come back and fight an overrated Mayorga. After fighting Floyd DHL went on to struggle with Steve Forbes, and get destroyed by Pac. It seems to me Floyd fan's love to use revisionist history when recalling the DHL that Floyd faced. He was 34 years old and had started to show signs of decline 3 years prior.
     
  6. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    I got Oscar.

    Different class of fighter
     
  7. Cotto of 2012 is fresher and better on his feet IMO.

    I said it before, I'm sayin it again. Don't write Cotto off!
     
  8. Just a couple things stuck out at me about this post...

    There is even less shame about getting stopped by B-Hop considering his size compared to De La Hoya... You had a future Light heavyweight champ fighting a blown up Welterweight in that fight.

    Also.. I didn't think Oscar "struggled" with Forbes at all. He got rounds in against a non-threatening opponent after a long layoff. He won 120-108 on all the cards if I remember correctly.

    I know I'm just nitpicking, sorry.
     
  9. Canibus81

    Canibus81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm on the samepage and I think Diaz is a better trainer than people think. And I believe just that key element will be the deciding factor. The truth will come out May 5th when they step in the ring. All the theories won't mean anything anymore because the whole world will see for themselves. And that's the beauty of the sport, that anything can happen, on any givin night. And when you have great fights being made like this one, there's gonna be a lot of different perspectives.
     
  10. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Oscar. Oscar was actually a pretty good defensive fighter. Not only that, he had a great chin, was taller than Floyd, longer, and a lot heavier. He had a very good jab, and remember, he had trained with Floyd Sr. for a while. Cotto's a good little fighter. However, his lack of defense, chin, size and stamina, could be a real problem for him in this fight. I can see Floyd countering him all night, and busting him up with that straight right. But hey, everything changes when you get in that ring. Cotto is still a championship caliber fighter. We'll get to see whether or not Cotto is stiffer comp than Hoya on May 5th.
     
  11. Caper

    Caper How about a fair shake? banned Full Member

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    Well hoyas advantages are quite clear he has almost every physical advantage one can imagine though I still stick to the idea that cotto brings a certain hunger and different layers in his offense still Floyd will most likely pull away for a clear ud.
     
  12. Bobo

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    Oscar. His defense was on point pretty much the whole way against Floyd. definitely took away his left hook.
     
  13. Royal-T-Bag

    Royal-T-Bag Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Oscar fosho. I also think Cotto of today is more shot than Oscar of 2007. Cotto's been mentally broken twice...he had his heart ripped out and stomped on and that's **** you don't recover from.... that feelings gonna come creeping back with the frustration Mayweather delivers. DLH= iron willed, Cotto= mentally never the same since Margo.
     
  14. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    They're close. While Oscar is the much better fighter "all time" speaking, he was semi retired by the time Floyd fought him. Cotto, while inexperienced at the weight, is 3-0 with 3 stoppages. Each had their own condition (knee, hand, eye), but were legit stoppages. Oscar himself was 4-1 at 154, so hey, both are very good. I'll say Cotto by a smudge?

    I think Floyd is no worse prepared for 154 pounds now, despite his age being a lot higher than in 07, as opposed to 154 where he was just 3 fights into his welter career.
     
  15. JohnAnthony

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    You can get much better odds on Cotto winning about 7 or 8 to 1 than you coud on Oscar. Maybe because there were unknwn factors due to size differance.

    Either way DeLaHoya had a better chance than Cotto does.

    I actually think Ortiz had a better chance than cotto does due to styles.

    I actually even remember thinking mosey having a better chance leading up to that fight.


    Its a wierd thing for cotto. He is better than Ortiz, Mosley and arguaby De La Hoya (The versions that fought floyd) But for some reason, his style of fighting perhaps, leads me to believe he has zero chance.