Still cant believe tha COWARD Provo is fighting Castillo!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by El Chicano, Nov 25, 2014.


  1. Koba

    Koba Whimsical Inactivisist Full Member

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    He's with Banner, but has been co-promoted by TR over a few fights. Recently (like Andrade who's also promoted by Banner) he's become dissatisfied with Arum failing to find him good fights and is starting to look elsewhere.

    According to Provos promoters there has been solid offers sent out for a Herrera rematch, JMM and a few others but none have shown an interest (I'll have to dig out the reference, but it's a recent one - 'scene I think).

    TBH I can't say that I'm impressed by JLC as an opponent, but I also think that it's better than Provo sitting on his ass speculating about fantasy fights like Andrade (who has had some really genuine opportunities, but apparently prefered not to fight).
     
  2. JeanGrey

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    Judah, Herrea, and mosley rejected a challenged from Prov... :(
     
  3. Koba

    Koba Whimsical Inactivisist Full Member

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    You taking about Matthysse vs Provodnikov?

    IDK - I'm not sure if either has been on the other's radar, but I wouldn't be convinced it'd be easy to make.

    I doubt Banner are ready to spit on Bob's sandwich just yet and they'd want to be very wary about doing business with Haymon if they want to keep a strong relationship with HBO.

    Equally I'd be very surprised at any Arum fighter taking on a guy who's known to be very dangerous with fight changing power (unless he's also an Arum fighter). Arum isn't known for taking risks unless he controls both corners.

    Far from being 'easy', I don't see much chance of this one happening at all TBH, though IMO it'd make for a really good fight.
     
  4. killerD

    killerD Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't blame none of those guys for not wanting to go to russia if what Im reading online is true.also ruslan turned down a rematch with herrera to fight on the kovalev hopkins undercard.
     
  5. killerD

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    except provodnikov isn't an arum fighter at all banner works with everyone.you think hbo would blacklist an exciting fighter like ruslan.cotto did business with gaymon and was fighting on showtime yet both arum and hbo brought him back.provo isn't cotto but he's tv friendly and that's all that matters.
     
  6. Koba

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    Not heard about Ruslan turning down Herrera in AC - interesting if you have a source?

    - Nonetheless there's no good reason for Mosley, Herrera or Judah not to go to Moscow.

    There seems to be a standard expectation that US fighters shouldn't have to risk suspect 'foreign' judging, yet 'foreign' fighters have to go where the money is, fair or not.

    'Course... if Mauricio can earn more fighting the likes of Benavidez, that's his perogative.
     
  7. Serge

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    16 of ''coward'' Ruslan's 23 fights have been fought on the road.

    He didn't just fight Bradley, Herrera, Algieri, and Alvarado in their country, the ''coward'' actually fought all of them in their hometowns where everything was stacked in their favour (Vegas is as good as Herrera's hometown).

    He fought Bradley in California with three Californian judges and a Californian referee and he ended up on the wrong end of a razor-close controversial decision (I feel he should've got a draw in that one, at the least).

    He fought Alvarado in Colorado with three American judges and an American referee.

    He fought Herrera in Vegas with three Californian judges and a Californian referee, again losing a controversial decision (I haven't seen this fight but this is what I have heard).

    And he fought Algieri in New York with three American judges (one from New York and another from Connecticut) and an American referee (from New Jersey), again losing a controversial decision and his beloved WBO LWW strap.

    I was listening to an episode of the Leave it in the Ring podcast a few months ago where one of the hosts tried to rationalize why all these name American fighters Ruslan called out to fight him over in Russia had turned down the offer. There reasoning? Because why would they want to go over there where everything is stacked against them lol. Well how the phuck do you think Ruslan felt fighting over in the US in all those guys hometowns all those times, being on the wrong end of controversial decisions and losing his world title that he worked so hard to attain? lol. To be fair to the host he did add that maybe Ruslan felt the same about fighting over in the US.

    By the way, I don't approve of the Castillo fight all. It stinks but it's hardly Ruslan's fault none of these name Americans he's called out don't want to travel over to Russia. But Ruslan's the one who's the ''coward''. lol
     
  8. killerD

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    guys aren't getting paid in russia they are getting ripped off check out fres oquendo talking about kidnappings intimidation the whole shady failed drug test.oh and mosley is totally shot he shoudnt be going anywhere.
     
  9. STB

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    That's as may be, but it'd still have to be a consideration for the Banner team... probable or not you still don't want to bite the hand that feeds you. And bear in mind this is against a backdrop of a situation where, exciting or not, Provodnikov was not getting the fights he wanted.

    I'd have to check, but to my knowledge there hasn't been a major Banner fight / fighter on SHO since the cold war blew up and, to an extent many of the smaller promoters have had to pick a side. Choosing to work with Haymon could have ramifications which we don't know about and it's probably not a step to be taken lightly by Banner.

    Perhaps I should have put my second point first though - I still very much doubt that Haymon risks a significant money spinner like Matthysse against Provodinikov. Perhaps Banner should have shot an offer over to Haymon, just so as they could say they tried, but ultimately I get the impression that things work the other way round with Haymon - Al's the guy who sends the offers, not the opposition.

    Either way, it's clear that Ruslan has tried to get other opponents in the ring - given that Banner ain't a major outfit and Ruslan can't offer Cottoesque paydays I think it's unreasonable to call Ruslan a 'coward' cos the best guy he could get in the ring was a shot JLC.

    That said - what else do you expect from a troll like El Chicano? - I've seen him called a ******* and a Brittard on this very thread even though he also trolls on these fighters too- I know him as a relentless anti-GGG troll.... the idiot simply seems to specialise in annoying just about everybody.
     
  11. purephase

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    The cards in Provodnikov's favor against Corley in Russia were far worse than any that have gone against him in his time in the US.

    The rest of your post reads like nothing more than a woe is Ruslan apology for an awful fight. It is in fact Ruslan's fault he's not fighting in the US this time since he was offered the Abregu fight and turned it down. And it is in fact his fault that he's fighting an opponent as poor as Castillo; the mere fact that a whopping 3 guys turned down the fight doesn't give Provodnikov and his team carte blanche to dig up the corpse of Castillo. There are literally dozens of guys who would have made for a better opponent who weren't offered the fight. The fact that American fighters who can get premium network dates didn't care to travel doesn't justify this atrocious mismatch.
     
  12. killerD

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    calling ruslan a coward should be a criminal act the guy fights his heart out and leaves it all in the ring that's just chicano making an ass out of himself as usual.with that said castillo is a terrible choice couldn't they gotten hank lundy or something I know they could have gotten a better opponent.its true about the whole pick a side thing but that's supposed to be over now but like you said al gaymon is risk averse.
     
  13. Koba

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    Hmmm. So Fres claims the drug test was a scam - now there's a surprise.

    Nonetheless, maybe that's part of the reason Provodnikov has to resort to fighting a shot to hell JLC. If he's gonna fight in Moscow he's gotta fight who he can get to fight there.

    Kid can't just sit on his hands - he's got to earn a living, and it isn't like he's one of the big earners in the sport or has a major promoter with the muscle to get whoever they want in the ring.

    Oh, and Mosley was quite happy to travel to Australia to 'fight' a few rounds for a cool $mil. Perhaps Castillo feels the same way.

    Make no mistake this is a BS fight, but it still rankles to have a troll like El Chicano calling Ruslan (or any other pro fighter) a coward.
     
  14. El Chicano

    El Chicano Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Provo is a coward

    Herrera outfoxed him