Still Think Tyson Didnt Have An Iron Chin ?

right on the money.

 

Let's see we have about 8 separate sources on that article pretty much all stating the same thing and you have one article with really no sources attributed to it. And even if this article is true, Tyson got the crap beat out of him twice..haha give it a rest fan boy Tyson's barely a top ten ATG and that's generous. Tyson himself said he'd never beat Lewis and l highly doubt he would ever have beaten Holyfield as well. I'm the same age as Tyson and there was a time l too thought he was invincible l even had a poster of him and l still have Ring magazine articles on him from this time period, but it turned out he wasn't. End of story.

 

Tyson is never rated over Ali. Generally he is low top ten. Why? General consensus is he did not have ATG will to win. If Tyson had Fraziers will to win at all cost his ratings would be very high. As an example watch Ali Frazier 3. Could you ever imagine Tyson in such a war, completely blind and still begging his corner to not stop the fight? You can't because instead in tough bouts he wanted to quit and he did quit.

 

Yup that's the main difference his mental attitude wasn't at the level of a Holyfield or a Ali or even a Foreman and certainly no where close to Frazier's, who would have died in the ring before giving up.

 

The thing that stands out to me in that video is how much of a chin Ruddock showed. He was caught far far more often than Tyson. Tyson landed any number of flush punches and yet Ruddock still went the distance.

Interesting.

 

Fraziers will to win didn't do him much good against Foreman. Tyson arguably could have done a lot better, or even won. Make sense of that and similar arguments. Post prison is when the quitting came into play with Tyson, he was less easy to discourage before he got locked up and mentally ruined. This does show he was mentally fragile as a person, he couldn't go the long haul and I consider that in my top ten. But too much is made of this Prime Tyson wilting under pressure theory. Again check the Ruddock fight, you could say in that fight he was even close to getting knocked out if a few more punches landed, that sounds like fighting through a rough patch me.

 

Silly and amateur level talk.

Joe was overwhelmed vs a far greater opponent when he fought Foreman but bloodied and beaten kept getting up to fight. Frazier proved himself as having the mental fortitude of an ATG. Tyson did not and that is why he is not rated higher than he is rated.

Tyson was ALWAYS mentally fragile. As an amateur he exhibited Emotional instability. His entire camp knew this as fact. Every time he was losing vs his best opposition he was Koed.

 

You must be some type of moron.

Why would Foreman sign for a $5 million dollar contract when he thinks the fight can do much more than that? Signing a contract that you are clearly getting low balled on is terrible business practice. Doubt you know much about those "accurances" though.

King had said he double crossed Foreman in the past. Why the hell would Foreman trust him now? He obviously shows his distrust by saying if it was Arum he would have signed a dollar down agreement.

Do you even read your own sources? Let's just skip to the part where you just make **** up about me in an attempt to make me look bad in front of the other posters.

 

Mental fortitude doesn't mean much if you get the crap beaten out of you and lose, joe had a bit of a dumb strategy for an all timer that night as well. Ali said it himself "got up for the 5th time to get knocked down again".

I see where you are coming from but saying Tyson was fragile is a bit silly. You don't dominate a division for four years being fragile. I think people forget the mental strength needed to achieve that, and the ability to deal with the pressure, detractors kind of think it was handed it to him, easy eh, it's quite disrespectful. I could agree Tyson is a front runner, a pretty good one at that, you had to put up a hell of a special performance to get him out of there.

 

People say Wladimir Klitschko had a glass chin or a below average weak chin, yet he took some hellacious shots before Joshua had him beat.

If guys like Ruddock and Tyson are being put on the other end of the spectrum in terms of heavyweight chin strength, I think someone is being underrated or overrated, but can't work out who or which way it is.

That last huge uppercut Joshua caught Klitschko with really hurt him, but he didn't go down, and that was round 11 of a gruelling fight.
If Tyson or Ruddock or Holyfield was in same situation it would be cited and highlighted as evidence of good or great chin.
Reputations seem to dictate this things, not the facts. And it's real hard to shake off a reputation for having a weak chin.

 

Maybe he shoud have danced around and used his notable size, height and reach advantage. Like in the rematch vs a lesser Foreman.

 

Funny, buts that's not what a meant.

 

I think that is exactly why a lot of fighters get underrated in some areas, a weakness or fault sticks with them even if it's a one of or rare occurrence. Lewis is another one that gets tagged with the glass chin tag, but he took some big punches in his career, how you can call his chin glass is beyond me.

 

I don't think you're wrong but you could make an even more valid argument that it was Ruddock who took the most punishment and showed the most heart, since he was on the receiving end of more punches than Tyson was. And I agree, Tyson's a better over all fighter than Frazier but he never displayed a heart like Frazier did. Essentially Tyson was washed up after losing to Douglas. Ali took about the same time off as Tyson and look at the difference in their careers post lay off.