Stiverne fought a horrible fight

Um, no I haven't been hiding and have even given credit to Wilder in several threads. Additionally, this fight does not mean Wilder does not have a Glass Jaw. You sound like the Khan fans that proclaimed him Iron Chinned after the Maidana fight. We all saw how that turned out :roflatsch

 

Yes he did.

 

In order to cut off the ring, doesn't Stiverne need to possess a minimum amount of athleticism? Stiverne doesn't possess that athleticism, and Wilder and his team knew it, and consequently they built Wilder's gameplan around moving away from Stiverne.

Stiverne needed more long runs for endurance and more sprints for explosive efforts.

 

Stirverne, fights like he always fight. Watched the Ray Austin and Chris Aaerola 2 fight for comparison.

 

You are exactly right.

No question.

Wilder is much better and anyone who does not see that is missing something- IMO.

This is not to say Wilder is great, but there is NO QUESTION AT ALL about whom is the better fighter of these two...and in every measurable way.

While I do not think there is a serious challenger for Klitchko out there, I would support the notion of Wilder facing Fury to further sort things out.

Unfortunately, I see Stiverne is an also-ran, at best. Not having seen many of his fights, I was deeply disappointed in this one and found myself wondering what anyone saw in him.

 

Your last sentence- this was exactly the impression I had and have posted.

 

Again, Rico, and this is the kind of ducking you've been doing by not addressing well-reasoned and sincere posts:

Is there only glass-jawed and iron-chinned? Is there no inbetween?

If a fighter is glass-jawed, he's giong to fall apart when hit by a proven and established heavyweight puncher like Stiverne.

Wilder didn't.

That doesn't mean he's iron-jawed, but it does mean he is not glass-jawed.

Your logic -- that a boxer must be one extreme or another -- is like saying anyone who isn't 7 feet tall must be 4 feet tall, or that any car that can't reach F-1 225 mph is as slow as a mule-pulled wagon.

Some chins are average. Some people are average height. Some cars have average top-end speed.

I happen to know you're smarter than that, yet you constantly fall back to the "so I guess you're saying he's iron-chinned" when no one is saying that.

Wilder has proven he's not glass. He took a legitimate heavyweight puncher's shots and didn't shatter. You and Zak both posted numerous times that the first decent heavyweight who hit him would expose him as being glass-jawed.

Didn't happen.

So why can't you just admit you were wrong, and that he's not glass-jawed?

You can drop the sad sack chin-checker act (Zak can't because that's all he has) and just post something honest like "I still think he'll get knocked out one day" and not look so silly.

 

i dont understand why he wasn't cutting Wilder off. He was just following him and walking straight into Wilder's right hand. I think it was round 9 when his corner finally told him to cut off the ring, but he just carried on plodding forward! Worst title defense I think I have seen.

Credit to Wilder, but I still think he is packing china and his power is overrated.

 

Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth -- Iron Mike

 

Looked like he just got beat by the better man.

 

True for the most part, but then even when he did go for it, he did so in the stupidest way possible.

Those 180° spin-around telegraphed left hook leads? Wilder saw those coming a mile away. Stiverne missed a couple with his target literally in the pocket with him, leaning down on him, chest to chest when Stiverne began loading them up!! atsch

His in-the-moment decision making and yes, his overall tactics - pure idiocy.

Stiverne indeed fought horribly - dehydrated or not. He was as much lacking mentally as physically. :nod

 

I respect how Wilder fought. I could tell he damaged his right hand early in the fight, and I like that he kept throwing it. I liked how he was able to smother on the inside, and I liked that he had the discipline to stay on his bike and potshot. He showed a very developing jab, not quite what I'd consider good yet, but it's going to be someday. He took no real clean punches, so no comment on the chin. He looked gassed for most of the fight. His hands were low, his punches cam back slow, and he was stepping in post holes most of the fight. Lots to work on.

Stivene was terrible. I don't think for a minute that he has a good excuse (if you got rhabdo it means you weren't training hard and then tried to train hard all of a sudden, and if you were dehydrated then you're just an idiot and would never be able to hold a title for any length of time).

I was shouting at Stiverne: "STEP RIGHT, RIGHT TO THE BODY, HOOK TO THE HEAD, OVERHAND RIGHT!" There were a lot of things he could have done but all he showed was a ridiculous chin/bowling ball head. He was fat, slow, didn't cut off the ring, and didn't try to throw combos. He does deserve credit for not laying on the ropes and for not standing still in front of Wilder (both would have led to a KO), but his offense was terrible. I think it was due to his physical condition more than anything Wilder did. Wilder didn't use the jab to keep him off, he just picked him off with it when Stiverne paused his pursuit. I didn't see the jab stopping him from coming in at all. Likewise, it isn't like Wilder was hitting him to stop him from throwing combos, he just wasn't throwing them.

I think you put a guy like Povetkin in there with the same Wilder and the fight doesn't go past six, certainly not the distance. A guy with Wilder's height and limited skills requires constant pressure, head movement, and good combinations to the head and body while moving forward (because he leans or steps back to avoid the first one or two). Povetkin would destroy him, Pulev would outjab him, Tony Thompson would stop him, David Price would either KO him or be hilariously KO'd, and Fury will end him.