Stop comparing the fighters of the past to present day fighters!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by mrtony80, Dec 10, 2009.


  1. mrtony80

    mrtony80 Likes thick chicks Full Member

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    I'll admit that I was wrong about Armstrong. I've seen a few of his fights, but it has been awhile, and I was basing my comment on what I had seen recently. But that is the only thing I take back. If you think techniques "haven't progressively gotten better overall", then you don't watch much boxing. All those mediocre fighters you mentioned have had belts because there is more of them to go around nowadays.
     
  2. pngo

    pngo #1Contender Full Member

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    Nice post.
     
  3. namcap

    namcap Active Member Full Member

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    Nice post.
     
  4. KOTF

    KOTF Bingooo Full Member

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    Nice post.
     
  5. cloud_cyc

    cloud_cyc p4p demon Full Member

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    good post. all you can compare is how they fared/dealt against opponents in their respective era... it's hard to compare them skillwise because styles evolves, you cant compare their 300+ wins to todays era of 35+ wins because making fights and longevity of training was way different. you also got it right with SRR, he was an exception.

    its like comparing NBA greats like Wilt and Shaq, you cant say that shaq is better because some will argue that Wilt dominated the game like no one else back then, even scoring 100 pts and getting 20-30 rebounds in a single game. but some will also argue that basketball wasnt that defense-oriented back then and the level of competition was way different from shaqs era, and IMO if Wilt and Shaq will face in a fantasy match, Shaq will kill him in the low post.
     
  6. riannu25

    riannu25 Active Member Full Member

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    I thought Armstrong was the quitessential swarmer?
     
  7. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    So how would you compare the techniques of someone like Archie Moore to current day light heavyweights?

    :smoke
     
  8. Moth

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    Technically, younger generations are more evolved than older generations. So they should have the advantage.

    But it's still all just objective bull**** that can't be proved one way or another.
     
  9. cherokee

    cherokee boxfan Full Member

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    yeah...i like the "anomaly" description...:lol:
     
  10. VanillaKilla

    VanillaKilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I have an honest question...... Why are most of the "classic boxing guru's" fat bald guys with glasses who look like theyve never boxed before???
     
  11. cherokee

    cherokee boxfan Full Member

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    are u talking about the 'boxing experts' that give their predictions on Youtube? :D
     
  12. homebrand

    homebrand Well-Known Member Full Member

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    you are also making presumptions. For example, these threads are all about fantasy match-ups,and you are saying the fighters today have better diets and training now. This maybe true.

    However, you may not be thinking the whole argument thoroughly enough. In this make believe world where you can travel back in time to kidnap fighters from the passed and transport them into the future to fight a present day fighter, then surely the fighters from the past should be given time to train and eat properly, go on a two month training camp to acclimatise and benefit from modern techniques? This would be only fair.

    It would be the height of arrogance to suggest boxers from the past inherently had less skill, coordination and power than today's fighters. If the top guys from the past could eat and train with today's techniques, I have no doubts the top boxers of yesteryear would have what it takes to be top boxers today. In these fantasy match-ups, you'd have to allow for a full training camp using the same (or to put it better, modern) methods, to make it fair.

    So, you have to take this into consideration too.
     
  13. VanillaKilla

    VanillaKilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    hah! thats exactly what im talking about :rofl
     
  14. Twirdman

    Twirdman Active Member Full Member

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    While this would be nice it is really impossible to do. I mean how would they react to the training what would they gain from this new diet. We can only go on what we see not what might have been. I mean not that long ago but take Mark Spitz, one of the greatest swimmers of his time is he better then Michael Phelps. I mean is the new nutrition, training regime, and most specifically the suit enough to make him better. Its impossible to say because there are too many variables maybe Phelps just had more natural talent or maybe Spitz just didn't have the equipment.
     
  15. homebrand

    homebrand Well-Known Member Full Member

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    actually each training regime and diet at an elite level is tailored to the individual, so absolutely, every athlete would benefit from it, no doubt about it.