STOP deadlifting.

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by Problematic, May 18, 2015.


  1. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why pick that out. What about the other stuff. Think my understanding changed, when I got a boy walking with PMD, now youre talking about the CNS, first boy with it to start producing myelin.
     
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    light-welter Active Member Full Member

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    Why pick out that without evidence to back up your claims your argument is irrelevant? Why should I or anyone else believe what your saying when you haven't back anything up?

    I really don't know how to respond to the second sentence or how it's relevant in any way if you'r talking about athletic training for a general population versus someone with a clinical disorder.
     
  3. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I suppose you dont.
     
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    light-welter Active Member Full Member

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    Honestly mate you are all over the place with your arguments and responses like these do you no favours. No evidence= no argument.
     
  5. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What I said :D.
     
  6. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Okay Jesus, but what does that have to do with athletic training and your disapproval of weight training?
     
  7. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If you dont see it theres no hope, Weights big on them in the 60s and 70s, then moved on to elastic at the start of the 80s. Found it produced better athletic movement, plus could be adapted to more imaginative alternative stuff. Also liked the idea of the resistance not being the same throughout motion, as weights are, giving the wrong feel.
     
  8. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Chains and bands are commonly added to lifts, but you'd have to be incredibly stupid to only use a band for your resistance training. Lifting weights isn't about 'feel', rehab is about 'feel' and skill work is about 'feel' to an extent in the beginner stages of motor learning.

    The resistance when you're lifting a weight is never the same due to the changing lever arms from muscles and their insertions from the point of axis. It's about developing impulse to overcome inertia, getting your CNS to rapidly contract higher threshold motor units. That develops those high threshold motor units and allows a better brain-body connection to rapidly contract those high threshold motor units, increasing rate of force development. That pulls on your thick tendons (that have also had their CSA developed through lifting heavy loads) to provide a great stretch and recoil. Lifting weights causes adaptive responses to all passive structures (ligaments/tendons/all connective tissue) so it also provides protection from injury.
    These effects are well documented in the peer reviewed scientific literature, which is why every half serious athlete in the world lifts weights.
    To think that using elastic bands can replace that shows a complete lack of understanding of basic human physiology and a complete disregard for science in general, and the scientific method.

    I don't see it, nobody else sees it... so why can't you explain it? I'm not dumb, I'm fairly educated. I'm sure there are other people around here with a brain. Are you just so intelligent and advanced in what you know that there's no point in even trying to explain to anyone? Or do you have something to sell and you're trying to keep the mystery?

    Either put up or shut up. I'm completely convinced you have no idea what you're talking but maybe somebody else still thinks you have something. So go ahead and explain it.
    Your motive is to sell your vertical treadmill, that's all it can be. I respect anyone's hustle but not when it's at the expense of someone else. Telling athletes not to lift weights is irresponsible, you're increasing their chances of injury and limiting their performance potential. That's what the scientific literature says, so you better have a pretty ****ing strong argument to say decades of research is wrong. As of yet you don't have any argument, other than "Oh you don't get it" (even though you've never explained it in the years you've been here).
     
  9. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The resistance when you're lifting a weight is never the same due to the changing lever arms from muscles and their insertions from the point of axis. It's about developing impulse to overcome inertia, getting your CNS to rapidly contract higher threshold motor units. That develops those high threshold motor units and allows a better brain-body connection to rapidly contract those high threshold motor units, increasing rate of force development. That pulls on your thick tendons (that have also had their CSA developed through lifting heavy loads) to provide a great stretch and recoil. Lifting weights causes adaptive responses to all passive structures (ligaments/tendons/all connective tissue) so it also provides protection from injury.
    These effects are well documented in the peer reviewed scientific literature, which is why every half serious athlete in the world lifts weights.


    Why do they use chains and bands is there a reason, think about it

    Either put up or shut up. I'm completely convinced you have no idea what you're talking but maybe somebody else still thinks you have something. So go ahead and explain it.
    Your motive is to sell your vertical treadmill, that's all it can be. I respect anyone's hustle but not when it's at the expense of someone else. Telling athletes not to lift weights is irresponsible, you're increasing their chances of injury and limiting their performance potential. That's what the scientific literature says, so you better have a pretty ****ing strong argument to say decades of research is wrong. As of yet you don't have any argument, other than "Oh you don't get it" (even though you've never explained it in the years you've been here).


    only time i talk about the silly machine is replying to you, been on here 2 years. Im beginning to wonder if you have ever been in a gym, or just read a lot.
     
  10. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Simply because it produces 35% more lactic as overground running, it means the body is working more efficient, plus on hit it recovers 35% faster, all to do with the venous returns, with the position youre in. Theres no impact to the spine, upper in particular or the endocrine system. Also the anecdotal evidence is overwhelming, people working on the project at 2 unis are very excited so far saying this could change things a lot. Funny at 1st He thought I was a raving lunatic, when He lead the 1st testing, He now is a very good friend ,His 1st assessment of me was correct. :D
     
  11. Paulie walnutz

    Paulie walnutz Active Member Full Member

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    Yeah! Do you think he is schizophrenic? All his claims sound magical so do his thoughts it all looks like word salad to me mate.
     
  12. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Having trained 40 pro Boxing champions at the highest level, it can get you like that :D. Thank god for meditation. :rofl.
     
  13. Paulie walnutz

    Paulie walnutz Active Member Full Member

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    Yeah! Mentle illness is a serious affliction causing profound delusions of grandeur.
     
  14. ant-man

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    I love watching Sc.rap PLAY with the self important little p.ricks here. It's fookin brilliant. :happy
     
  15. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Heres another one, lady triathlete, biomechanics were wrong had to retire. I was asked by her husband to look after her. Last month she took part in an event, big one where the British triathlon team put a relay team in they just did there chosen event swim then cycle then the run best they had, our lady beat the team by 4 minutes doing the whole event. Even I was shocked. :D