Stop making excuses for Haney......

Agreed.

 

He made weight. It's as simple as that. There's nothing to defend. People pick and choose when a fighter is drained or weight bullying. If he's boiling down so much, why is he performing at a high kevel? He can handle the weight without compromising himself.

It's a straight up black and white issue. One guy made weight, the other didn't. Also, when Haney rehydrates it's all water. Ryan just came in a bigger person.

 

LOL this thread is hilarious, but both sides are correct. Technically, what Haney does is legal. He drains himself to make weight, rehydrates far past his opponents and beats them up by being bigger. But being 'drained' is only for fighters that push their limits to dangerous levels. None of Haney's recent past opponents were drained (Loma, Prograis, Kambosos). Haney is the only one that is drained, but he is okay with this because he knows he will be bigger on fight night.

What Garcia did was wrong by technicality, but it was in the same philosophy as what Devin does...be the bigger fighter. Garcia just didn't make weight and chose to be bigger than Haney. So Haney for the first time was stuck in a no win situation, he had to drain himself to keep his title while finally fighting someone who was bigger than him.

Ideally, this situation is solved by having both of them fight at 147lb...that way neither can worry about draining themselves to make the weight. However, this opens them up to karma....as now they would now face bigger opponents (the 147lb pounds that drain themselves) in that division that would be doing the same think they did in the lighter weights. Its' ultimately a vicious cycle.

 

Boxing needs to sort the entire process of making weight. Enough of boiling down, we need fighters facing someone of the same natural weight.

 

Well, it doesn't matter. Mandatory is a mandatory. You can argue most of the mandatories didn't do anything to reach that status but it is what it is. Loma dropped his belt to fight Teo, that was a move of a true champion to try to unify, but Haney deserved his shot also.

 

No he didn't he beat nobody to earn that shot. I asked you who he beat to warrant that Shor and you couldn't give me a name.

 

He must be mate as it was reported he was 165 plus the week before the weigh in.

 

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Here's a video of Joe Laws battering Haney in sparring.

 

Who did Dubois beat to get a shot at Usyk?
Who did Pulev beat to get a shot at AJ?
Who did Breazaele and Stiverne beat to get a shot at Wilder?
Who did Glazkov beat to get a shot at Wlad/Fury?
Who did Ruiz beat to get a shot at Lennox?

We can go all night long.

 

He wasn't 165 on fight night when He was competing at lightweigh though, that was his weight for the Prograis fight.

Beterbiev is naturally about the size of Rocky Marciano. He was over 190 pounds 30 days before the fight with Marcus Browne. Don't think his weight on fight-night was ever revealed, but I suspect He's in the same ball-park as Haney. Zurdo was over 200 lbs in the ring for the fight with Yunieski and Beterbiev doesn't look smaller to me.
I pushed it a bit with the loaded gloves part, but as far as the weight goes - yes, You should support Bivol missing weight to even the playing field for the Beterbiev fight, to be consistant.

 

I doubt He only cuts 15 pounds - if that's his weight 30 days before the fight. That's already the latter part of the training camp.
As example - Haney was at 143 pounds 30 days before the Gamboa fight.

Also - I forgot how small Marciano was, so that was poor example. Beterbiev is probably closer to young Ali and Frazier.