Stop making excuses for Haney......

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  1. Mastrangelo

    Mastrangelo Active Member Full Member

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    Sure. Beterbiev fought some big Light Heavyweights.
    Haney fought mostly smaller men as a Lightweight - but that wasn't his fault, was it? Lomechnko was top guy, Kambosos was a champion - before that guys like Jo-Jo and Linares were coming from lower weight classes, but were still solid veterans. A bit earlier, Haney didn't look any bigger than Zaur Abdullaev for example (Yet it was one of his easiest fights).

    Beterbiev also fought some smaller Light Heavies like Campillo for example. Bivol is on the smaller side too - He still claims He could make 168.
    My point is Haney isn't doing anything out of ordinary.
     
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  2. boxingexpert733

    boxingexpert733 Member Full Member

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    They acting like Haney isn’t 170 on fight night. Garcia cutting down 3 more lbs isn’t gonna save Haney from being dropped 5 times LOL
     
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  3. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Exactly, Haney is playing by the rules as they are. They need to be changed and that ain't his fault.
     
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  4. the commentator

    the commentator Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tell that to Tim Bradley...lol
     
  5. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Haney is cutting like 25 pounds.....yes that is out of the ordinary my guy.

    You're comparing Beterbiev with Haney but one guy KO's his opponents and has fought numerous fighters of similar size to him.

    It's not comparable and stop going off track if you want debate about Beterbiev make a thread about him.
     
  6. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He should move up then I don't understand the logic of some people here.

    If you're fine with Haney having massive weight advantages over his opponents, you can't then complain when an opponent does it to him. And the weight difference between Garcia/Haney was minimal because Garcia was drinking beer and wearing clothes.
     
  7. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I've been calling for weighing in on fight day for years, that , and ONLY that will fix this. It eliminates re-hydration clauses and everything else.
     
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  8. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He should just move up end of theres no way Haney should've been campaigning as a Lightweight he should be fighting as a Welterweight/Jr Middleweight

    Like I've said numerous times if Haney wants to prove himself move up to Welterweight and beat Garcia in a rematch.
     
  9. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think the post-hydration weight is more important than the weigh-in weight. Haney may have still been the bigger fighter on fight night.
     
  10. Mastrangelo

    Mastrangelo Active Member Full Member

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    You speak a lot about "logic" here. One thing about logic is it's principles should apply consistantly. It doesn't make any sense to debate Haney's case in a vacuum.
    If fighter A being a "weight-bully" makes it justifiable for fighter B to miss weight - then Bivol doesn't need to make weight for Beterebiev fight and if He misses weight - and someone says it played a factor, He'll just be making excuses. I use it example since that's one big fight coming up relatively soon.

    We don't get fight-night weight for all the fighters these days, so it's hard to say how much of the extreme case Haney is. He's certainly not alone. Guys like Jamie McDonnell and Zurdo Ramirez put on just as much or more weight. Then We get WBC 30 days weigh-in data which suggests that guys like David Benavidez and Beterbiev are in the same ball-park. Spence was rumoured to walk around at over 180 pounds.
    Ryan Garcia is obviously not any smaller naturally and He fought at 130 and then 135.
     
  11. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Are you trolling?
    Dubois beat Trevor Bryan who was more relevant than anybody Haney beat. Ruiz never fought Lennox. Stiverne was the defending champion against Wilder. I could go on.
     
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  12. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    As I've said numerous times Haney is rehydrating atleast 25 pounds which you're saying is the norm it isn't. You're also saying you are fine with Haney rehydrating 25 pounds which is laughable to me. But don't accept Garcia being realistically same size as Haney because he had clothes on and was drinking beer, so the size difference was so non apparent that it wouldn't of made any difference in the fight.

    As for your other points about Beterbiev already been addressed in previous post and I'm not discussing an off topic subject that is not comparable to Haney as I've already stated before.
     
  13. Mastrangelo

    Mastrangelo Active Member Full Member

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    I already wrote it to first person who first mentioned it. It was a ceremonial weigh-in, that's how They often do it these days (I believe it started in MMA world). They were not actually weighing in, it was just for the public. Real weigh-in was done couple hours earlier and if someone has a footage from that, I'd like to see how They both look there.

    Obviously it's not just about the size "in the ring". Don't take it from me, Garcia explained himself why He didn't make weight and preferred to pay over 1 million dollar for that "privilage". He didn't want to be weak from getting his body down to full 140 limit day before the fight. It is a stress on the body that's not easy to recover from, even if You get your weight back.
    That's where the key to understanding why doesn't everyone cut that much weight lays, as well. You need to be very disciplined, smart and rigid - and even then not every organism is taking it as well as the other. Try dry fasting for a couple days and then see how it feels - and if You're 100% ready for high level athlethic performance the next day.
     
  14. steviebruno

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    That was a ceremonial weigh-in done just for show. It had no bearing on his weight at the official weigh-in. LOL.

    Haney himself was probably already comfortably rehydrated to 147+ by the time of the photo op.
     
  15. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Trevor Bryan? LOL. Who is Trevor Bryan xD
    Lennox had to vacate the WBA belt because Ruiz was his mandatory and din't want to fight him. Just like Loma.
    Stiverne wasn't a champion in 2017.

    Go on, cause you're funny as hell.