Straight right is the key in the pacquiao-mayweather fight

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  1. OneShay

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    After i watched the pacquiao-cotto fight a second time something occurred to me. In his last three fights pacquiao has fought three guys all of whom have the same money shot, the left hook. While this can often be a potent weapon against a southpaw it has been the other essential orthodox weapon, the straight right hand, which pacquiao has historically struggled to defend against. It was this punch which was the foundation of jmm success against pacquiao and it is baffling that three experienced fighters would have neglected to study tape of the man that gave pacquiao his closest fights in recent times, or if they did study the footage that such a detail was missed or ignored. Regardless of what the previous trio did or did not do make no mistake that Floyd Mayweather will not repeat the error. Its not necessarily that Mayweather will be better prepared in this sense, in fact he claimed on 24/7 that he does not study tape, but rather that the punch in question is one of his favourite weapons that will make the difference in the fight.
     
  2. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    could be. But straight left might also be key.

    gotta look at both sides of the coin.
     
  3. Boxing Fanatic

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    One of Floyd's main weapons, indeed. Some southpaws can't avoid it.
     
  4. Carlos Primera

    Carlos Primera Boxing Addict Full Member

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    yup. The straight right is pretty much the proven antidote for southpaws.
     
  5. evalistinho

    evalistinho Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The straight left can also be the key as well since orthodox fighters are open to it as well.
     
  6. OneShay

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    In response to those of you who have stated that pacquiao's left could also be the major factor i have a number of points. Firstly Floyd Mayweather is without a doubt the best defensive boxer pacman will have ever fought and he will not be caught by the straight left nearly as easily as guys like de la hoya, hatton, cotto who are all relatively open. More importantly Mayweather had little trouble with the punch against southpaws Zab Judah and Shramba Mitchell. Granted these two are not anywhere near Pacquiaos level but I use these examples to illustrate the point that historically speaking it is Pacquiao who has had more problems with the straight right against orthodox fighters than Mayweather the left against southpaws. One must also realise that the speed of Mayweathers straight right is far more impressive than that of jmm who connected with it a ridiculous amount of times in the second fight.
     
  7. BOXING/MMAFAN

    BOXING/MMAFAN The Fan Full Member

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    i dnt care i just wanna see them fight
     
  8. thechampizhere

    thechampizhere Well-Known Member Full Member

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    the straight right is the key...watch the 1st morales fight were he threw the straight right to the gut and down the pipe...like wise with marquez....floyds money punch is that straight right which he throw with precision
     
  9. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    There is a problem with this.

    The lead left nullifies the lead right if the southpaw has a speed advantage. When the left comes under the guard during that exchange the left can't be seen.

    Another problem is that the right hook counter can nullify the orthodox jab. So could a lead left. So if Manny is fast enough, Floyd won't be able to set anything up right. Remember Zab Judah made Floyd look pretty ordinary until he started to get fatigued/hurt.

    Right now there is really no way of knowing who is faster of the two. Manny might very well be faster. If he is, a lead left and a short right hook combo is going to destroy Floyd.

    The bigger problem for Floyd is that Manny is used to taking a shot to land his own. If Floyd doesn't have the power to hurt Manny it's going to be a crushing defeat because Manny will be coming back at him full speed and full power. He will pressure Floyd until he breaks him down.
     
  10. icyhush

    icyhush What's on your mind? Full Member

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    same here!!! lets get it ON!
     
  11. Toopretty

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    Yeah b/c we all know Judah made Floyd look ordinary.. :rofl Oh wait, is Judah a counter puncher? Yeah. Is Manny? no.
     
  12. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    Zab wasn't hitting Floyd with all counters. He was beating him to the punch when he started leading with the straigt left/right hook. I suggest you go look at it again.
     
  13. Sinew

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  14. Knives7

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    :patsch It's the same for orthodox fighters, left straight is the best weapon against them.
     
  15. Sting

    Sting Akagami no Shanks Full Member

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    This is a very good point. Most of Floyd's previous opponents didn't know how to fire back punches while getting hit themselves. They would usually stop and reset their offense whenever Floyd hits them. In that, Floyd has a somewhat limited experience in dealing with fighters of that type. Boom, Here comes Manny who is one of the best in hitting back while getting hit thanks to the countless exchanges he had with Morales, Barrera and Marquez(who in turn are also some of the best in that regard).

    So in a fight scenario involving Floyd and Pac, how is Floyd gonna react when he hits Pac with a punch but sees Pac still throwing 3-4 punches on him regardless? Unless Floyd lands a perfectly placed shot(which he is certainly capable of numerous times I admit) I don't see him bothering Pac with 1 or 2 punches majority of the fight. Floyd needs to open up more, just like he did in the lower weights.

    This point of Ambition_Def goes perfectly well with my argument of why Floyd needs activity if he wants to beat Pac. 1 or 2 punches/counterpunches at a time ain't gonna save you from someone who likes to hit you with numerous punches regardless if he was being hit himself or not, especially if that someone is as tough as nails.

    This also why I find it ridiculous that people compare Mayweather to Marquez. Unlike Floyd, JMM had activity going with his counter-punching. So whenever Pac hits JMM with 3-4-5 punches, JMM would hit Pac back with almost, if not the exact same, amount of punches. As a result, JMM made Pac tentative and prevented Pac from going off on JMM as much as he liked. Which was advantageous to JMM and his pace.

    I'm not ruling a Floyd win ofcourse. I just truly feel Pac has more chances of winning if they ever fought.