Straight Right/Overhand Right, Right Cross- the same?

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  1. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Freddie says "luck should never be a part of boxing" because his job as a trainer and strategist is to minimize the X factors as much as possible. Freddie doesn't believe it though. Look at him.

    But I'm talking about street fighting. Boxing is safer than street fighting in that it has less rules and more X factors. Guys carry weapons. Hell, there was a time I got tired of fighting too many at once so I started carrying salt around like this WWF wrestler named Mr. Fuji. I'd throw it in their eyes if there was more than 2 or 3. I had to be careful with the wind though. It could ruin a man's reputation if he throws salt and the wind launches it back in his face...

    Skill helps without a doubt. Like I said, I'd always stand just out of their reach so I could see everything. That doesn't mean just their hands and feet -it also means seeing if they reach for something or if their friends are easing closer. So sure, if there was squaring off, I'd feint and take a short step and punched in lines with the target behind him so as to punch through him. Or, if he was aggressive and rushed, meet fist to chin and physics would end it quickly.

    But, there always X-factors that you can never control for. I know that my fate was always out of my hands to a significant degree. One time I fought this, for all I knew, self-proclaimed black belt and he tried to round house kick me like Sho-Nuff. That was stupid of him because I saw it and just ducked under his leg and step in with a right hook (!) on the angle when his leg was flying and down he goes. I didn't jump on him when he was down because like I said, I ain't about to go rolling around on the pavement with some fool, and he was big enought to break my back. Anyway, he rolls up, reaches back into his belt and pulls out something black and shiny. Instinct took over and I bolted. If he had a gun and shot it, I'd be dead no matter what I did because we were fighting in a parking lot -it would have been like shooting a duck.

    A friend of mine yells "it's just a blackjack!" So I turned back and went right at him, pissed now, because I felt like a coward for running. He swings it from the same side as his kick, I do the same move and this time get in at a closer angle and plant a good one his chin. Fights over. He wasn't KOd but he was all set for the night.

    Again, if he had a gun. I'd be all done.

    I lost probably about 4. One guy was really good -as a street fighter not a boxer. He was a puncher and really hard to read because you never knew where the shots would come in. He was like Pryor but about 30 pounds bigger. And he was much stronger than I was. AND he took a good shot. I fired him up the first two times and then blew the next two because I was exhausted and he was coked up. I remember he came running in on me and I did a move I picked up from watching Leonard-Hearns -you take a step back and then spring off your right foot to maximize the force of your right hand. BOOM! Got him coming in, right on the chin.

    He stopped in his tracks,

    the crowd went silent, including Monica whom I had the hots for.

    I was praying- "please Lord make him fall. I got nuthin' left Lord!"

    And what happens? He shook it off and came right at me. Down I went and he's on top of me raining down punches. I was reduced trying to time and slip his shots with the back of my head on the pavement.

    We became friends later that night and compared all of our wounds. I was glad he didn't want round 5. I wanted to go home and stay in bed for a week but you can't, because then the neighborhood would think less of you -particularly if he's out there whooping it up.

    There were two other guys who I fought and lost to. But I had just found out that Ma had cancer and was too distracted to fight. It was a terrible time because I couldn't break the code and say I wouldn't fight. So I took two beatings. Years later I found out one of them was bragging about taking me and so I went after him. This was years later (I'm ashamed to say I was about 27). I saw him one night coming out of a Chinese food joint but he saw me and ran! I blew off work driving around looking for him like a hitman. Twitman was more like it.

    The other guy beat me around the same time he did. I was in no mood to fight and couldn't see him anyway. He was black with a dark complexion and I fought him at night. The streetlights were shorted out on that street and I couldn't see him to save my life. I just saw flashes of color from his shirt while he's popping my head in every direction. I remember trying to get a sense of where his chin was by looking for the glint of his gold chain in the starlight. Actually, he got to me twice. It was just as good that I lost the second one because his friends were standing by the trunk of their car. It was popped but closed. They had guns in there. But I went looking for him too a few years later and found him. It was no good though because he was a crackhead by then, all wasted, skin and bones. I shrugged and moved on.

    The good old days. Yeah right.

    There were some concussions in there, you can bet on it. I started gettign monster headaches at 17 and still get them. I know why too. Too much pride, and for me that meant too much violence to defend it. I could have gotten shot or suffered brain damage enough to be debilitated by now (still might, in the future). Luck, that's all it is in the end.

    I see some people I know now and the shape they're in and say "There but for the grace of God go I."
     
  2. manbearpig

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  3. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    ~70. But I got better at finding people. There's a few I'm gonna find. Like William Wallace -I'm a big fan of William Wallace. Gonna find him sometime, maybe get over to Stirling, see that bridge. Or better yet, Falkirk.
     
  4. bman100

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    70 fights with 4 losses is a damn good record. you musta got a lotta experience from those fights and from the boxing ring too though I'm guessing. how was your record as a fighter in the ring? Concussions and headaches dont sound good. Still hasnt stopped you from writing interesting stories/ history about boxing. That bit about learning little tricks from watching fight films is cool too. I guess your right about Freddie Roach though, that luck is a huge part of it and skill will only take you so far. That guy that sounds like Pryor sounds like a nightmare to fight. lol. using salt is a unique idea to say the least as well.

    Those tips you gave me of throwing the 1-2, with slight variations like baiting of feinting etc. sound good too. You don't use other punches though like hooks or uppercuts is those situations?
     
  5. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You want to get things done and over with as soon as possible if you find yourself in a street fight. Shots go faster in straight lines than they do in arcs; if you fight a guy who knows what he's doing, they're easier to counter. Also, to throw arcs, you have to be closer. I'm 5'10 and 160-175 with fast hands. I was tall enough with reach enough to stay outside and have things go my way. Hooks and uppercuts would come after they got hurt. If the guy was big and barrelling in, those shots may by thrown. It depends on lots of things. My approach had certain inclinations but it shouldn't be rigid.

    I went lots of rounds but never counted them. Alot of smokers too, but those were underground and no one was keeping records.

    Using salt was stupid. If you try that, you'll change your mind on the first windy day.
     
  6. bman100

    bman100 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    As you said before, go with what the technician does when it comes to technique, that is what I would do. These tips you give, like staying on the outside, makes sense and besides, its best to get advice from someone with experience on what you should so and what would work. Still, imagine if everyone could be like Pac-man in his early days when he just fought with that straight left and a big heart. He broke a lotta rules but he was just lucky he could do that I guess.

    Oh, been meanng to ask:

    1) who is your favourite fighter?

    2) Which fighter did you learn most from while watching?
     
  7. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Duran Duran.
     
  8. bman100

    bman100 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wow, Duran for both?

    I figured one would be Greb or Robinson. Greb is p4p no.1 and seeing how most people say Robisnon is the most complete fighter on film, I thought, getting those tricks from his films would be easier, seeing as he had so many.

    Anyway you know what the next one is:

    which is your fave fight of Manos De Piedra?


    A nice little technique Duran did when he fought Huertas (sp?) was jab, throw his right, come back with a throw a left hook, finally weaving under any counter punch that may come and and stepping back out. Simple, but effective.

    And FANTASTIC end to the Lytell series! Been wanting to know about him for a while, very informative. Best one yet.
     
  9. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The Barkley fight. He had to use every trick because he was so utterly outgunned. I used to watch that all that time way back when. And though I already had the Manson lamps, that fight made me start wishing I was 4 inches shorter and shaped like a box.
     
  10. bman100

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    Remember commentators mentioning Duran had an "unusual squarenoess of his shoulders." Always like the Moore fight and the second bout with Dejesus.

    That Tony Zale straight right, left hook combination works really well in sparring that. Any other combinations like that or tips you could give? Really like the idea of leverage from the two punches: punch to the body twist round to get more leverage to the head.
     
  11. Conn

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    Has this thread become a fiction writing competition or something ?

    :huh
     
  12. manbearpig

    manbearpig A Scottish Noob Full Member

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    Is this a hilarious threat?
     
  13. manbearpig

    manbearpig A Scottish Noob Full Member

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    This has turned into a thread remarkably similar to one which was posted in the lounge to much **** taking. The only difference is this guy doesn't have the excuse of being a mongo to be boasting about 'street fights'. You're a grown man, ****ing act like it.
     
  14. round15

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    I always found the overhand right is a decent punch to use when you're setting it up in two punch combos if you're a shorter fighter. When you're inside, you can throw the left hook to the body or head and the overhand right quickly after it. Always remember to reset yourself in proper guard with your hands and protect.

    It's a little more dangerous for a shorter, swarming fighter to the throw the overhand right off of a jab because the lack of reach factor in some case leaves you wide open to a counter left. Also, you shouldn't lean too much forward on your front foot to finnish the overhand right. I've heard some trainers teach fighters that the right heel should be right up off the floor with most of the weight balanced on the lead foot. Too many fighters lose their balance going forward, the opponent slips to either side and lands a counter shot. When your opponent is on the ropes, the over hand right is a good punch to use off the hook. Tyson sometimes used the over hand right, but preferred the uppercut and right hook.

    Taller fighters have an easier time with the overhand right against smaller fighters because the punch naturally is a downward motion punch on the finnish. Kinda like an uppercut going the other way but not exaggerated. I've seen taller fighters forget to reset the overhand right and get knocked out with a left hook counter shot.
     
  15. Conn

    Conn Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    :deal

    To be fair to this guy, he's obviously just practicing his story-telling.
    It's amusing how the other kid is hanging on his every word though. :lol: