Strange boxing opinions

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by George Crowcroft, Jun 6, 2019.



  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sonny Liston is a top 5 HW H2H and top 10 HW

    Eric Morales is slightly greater than Juan Manuel Marquez

    Jersey Joe Walcott with Holmes jab would be almost unbeatable (not controversial I imagine just not something I've ever seen before)

    Dempsey is unbelievably overrated as a fighter, but has the Greatest story in boxing
     
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  2. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Roy Jones would have had a much different career arc had he fought at HW after Ruiz. Going down and getting knocked out took something out of him.

    Marciano would have an easier time of these shws then people think.

    Ali is the best p4p

    Max Baer is under rated

    Holyfield (love him) but he’s over rated
     
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  3. Sting like a bean

    Sting like a bean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Jem Smith had some kind of hypermuscularity disorder:
    [url]http://media.getty.edu/museum/images/web/enlarge/09597101.jpg[/url]

    [url]http://www.boxingcarddigest.com/images/Jem%20Smith%20old%20Judge.jpg[/url]
     
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  4. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Vinny Pazienza was a classy boxer. A true champion.
     
  5. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    To my knownledge he was the last true bareknuckle specialist. He wasn't much under the gloved rules, but bareknuckle he was decent, eve getting the better of Alf Greenfield.

    Most the other guys from around that time labled as bareknuckle fighters really weren't.
     
  6. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well in his prime he lost to the worst version of Lennox Lewis I have ever seen, oh and he quit against a fat but skilled middleweight in Chris Byrd who frustrated the hell out of him so yeah I could envisage him losing to some or all of the ATG HW's (and LHW's). Vitali doesn't even have a past their prime ATG scalp to his name let alone a prime ATG, sorry bud but if you think Vitali is some kind of unbeatable colossus in hypothetical H2H's then you need a reality check.
     
  7. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Jones couldn`t have beaten elite heavyweights he got caught too much by a slow heavy like Ruiz.
     
  8. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Not as classy as the several fighters that beat him.
     
  9. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hence a strange opinion but it’s mine. I thought he whooped Ruiz enough
     
  10. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Also despite popular belief Ruiz was an elite HW at the time
     
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  11. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Maybe he got hold of some of that 'modern nutrition'.
     
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  12. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You, sir, have gone too far.

    A few of mine:

    Alexis Arguello from 135 up was past-prime and is vastly overrated. Alexis Arguello at 130 and below is criminally underrated.

    Floyd Patterson wasn’t as fast of hand as is usually portrayed — maybe faster than average, but you can see on film many instances when his punches don’t get there any faster than Ingo’s or Liston’s or some others.

    Ray Leonard beats Ray Robinson.

    And ...

    Gerry Cooney wasn’t mismanaged. He had a lot of problems outside the ring and his managers protected him from getting upset by pulling out of fights when he wasn’t right (due to drinking and drugging) by claiming injuries. They got him to the big fight and he wasn’t good enough and maximized his earning potential — had they not done so, he would have lost quite a few fights by not showing up ready and petered out.
     
  13. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I've always been partial to Yoko Gushiken's fro. Tops them all.
     
  14. The Malibu Mauler

    The Malibu Mauler Lakers in 5 Full Member

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    Duran is very overrated
    Hagler is the best Fabulous Four member p4p and h2h
    Lewis is grossly overrated, especially h2h
    The only legitimate belts are Ring, WBA and WBC, with ring holding precedence
    And last but certainly not least (I'll probably get banned)
    Marciano and Dempsey are both top 10 p4p
     
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  15. Blaxx

    Blaxx Member Full Member

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    This is definitely strange, seeing as the one who beat the other three is bottom of the list, and the one who lost to the other three is top.