Strange how neither Hrgovic, EddieHearn nor Kalle Sauerland arent protesting IBF for Fury-Usyk fight

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  1. JackTheChamp123

    JackTheChamp123 Member banned Full Member

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    • After Usyk rematch with Fury, Hrgovic will have waited 4-5 years as mandatory challanger, no one did that in this decade
    • In this 3 years, Hrgovic defended mandatory status 2 times, by the time he attacks the title he would have to defend it 4-5 times, no one did that as mandatory
    • You say Hrgovic (as mandatory challanger) needs to fight top 10 ranked opponents at least twiche, while current "lineal" champion hasnt fought top level contender since he won the belts 4 years ago
    • what about other number "1s"
      • Joshua last fight against Elite opponent ended with loss (2 times), since then he fought bums (and he is considered number 1, Usyk being the champion respecitvley, also Joshua didnt have to wait for opportunity, being british got him there
      • another "number 1" Wilder, an ex champ, never fought Elite level opppoent and won
    • so Hrgovic would need to hold number 1, against top level opponents who event current and ex champions didnt fought, and do that for next 2 years, so he could even have a chance of attacking the belt, if he does that he goes in ATGs
     
  2. ipitythefool

    ipitythefool Prediction ? Pain Full Member

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    Undefeated cos he'd fought noone. But yeah southpaw may have made him a bit awkward.

    But Hrgovic looked as if he just didn't really want to fight.
     
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  3. JackTheChamp123

    JackTheChamp123 Member banned Full Member

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    WIlder shouldnt be in the top 10 considering he never fought Elite level oppoent and won, Parker lost to Joyce and is ranked higher, Anderson is american, american privelege (just as why is Joyce with 15/2 still in top 10) is at least active, needs to fight someone Elite though,

    also, Sanchez is out of retirement?
     
  4. JackTheChamp123

    JackTheChamp123 Member banned Full Member

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    2m tall, 22:0 soutpaw who just as Zhang was avoided, also fight that you were refering to Hrgovic dominated, and that was wrestling match, not boxing one

    he wanted to fight, you expect him to do Wilder KO (Wilder has never fought opponent of McKean calibre and won) while 2m austrailian kangaroo is hugging you the whole match, with iron chin, Hrgovic did everything right in that match, tell me othervise in tehnical terms?
     
  5. Limerickbox

    Limerickbox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Why should that hekp or not help him?

    He was mandatory already. Winning. whether interested or disinterested, shouldnt affect his ranking.
     
  6. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    I'm no fan of Luiz Ortiz but he was clearly better than Crocodile Dundee
     
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  7. ipitythefool

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    He was backed up waaaaay too much. Showed poor foot work, lacklustre jab and terrible stamina. I like Hrgovic but that was a poor performance.
     
  8. ipitythefool

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    Boxing is a business and being marketable helps make fights. That's just the way it is. Fighting like you've just woken up in your previous fight doesn't help your marketing.
     
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  9. Pepsi Dioxide

    Pepsi Dioxide Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Its tough rating guys when people aren't fighting or fighting inferior competition.
    I think youre confusing Sanchez with Ortiz no?
     
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  10. Tankatron

    Tankatron Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Joshua would be higher and better if he'd taken the Captain America Super Serum aswell.......I was on the AJ hype train prior to Ruiz 1 and if anything, he's been a little exposed, which is fine as he's still as relevant as anyone else to be honest but, he is what he is, not what he could be.
     
  11. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Good to see Zhang getting some recognition. I’d like to see him Shatter Wilder or Joshua’s Glass Jaw.
     
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  12. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Very impressive.

    What may be even more impressive is that in January, if he remains where he is, Wilder will have been no lower than #3 in the Ring ratings for nine straight years.

    Every month, every year, for nine straight years, always rated #3 or higher.

    Guys fall in and out of the ratings. They go up and down and out and then show up somewhere again.

    Wilder has been #3 in the ratings or higher every month since January 2015.

    One of the best runs at the top of the heavyweight division EVER.

    Hell, Fury wasn't even in the Ring ratings for most of last year.
     
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  13. NullaLexInk

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    Not a terrible list, considering the activity of the guys at the top. I'd put Zhang a bit higher though, either at 2 or 3. He deserves to be ahead of Wilder on activity alone, and I could see a reasonable case for him being above AJ. AJ has been active, but Zhang has two stoppage victories before the halfway point against a guy The Ring ranked number 5 at the start of the year.

    Also don't really have a problem with Hrgovic being below him, since while Hrgovic did beat him it was in a decision victory that could've gone either way, and he's only had one fight against an unproven fighter since then. That said, Parker should absolutely not be ahead of Hrgovic. In fact, at this point Parker should be 10 or 9 at most.
     
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  14. GBoxingFeed

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    Sorry, but I find it hard to understand how they have calculated this list. There are some glaring errors and contradictions. For what it’s worth, I think something like this makes more sense:

    0 - Usyk
    1 - Fury
    2 - Joshua
    3 - Zhang (could switch with 4)
    4 - Hrgovic (could switch with 3)
    5 - Wilder
    6 - Joyce
    7 - Ruiz
    8 - Parker
    9 - Wallin
    10 - Bakole

    *No arguments between 0 and 1
    *Joshua clearly no 2 with his resume and relative recent activity.
    *Zhang and Hrgovic interchangeable.
    *Wilder inactive and two bad KO losses in last 3 so drops down.
    *Joyce needs to remain above Parker til further notice.

    Joshua above Wilder as he has been more active, has a superior resume, and lost 2 decisions to the champion. Hard to put Wilder above him when he has been less active and lost twice via bad KO to the number 1. Regardless of h2h opinion, the ranking logic should be clear.

    The last few are hard to call. Hard to justify Anderson given his level of comp currently. Same with Sanchez who is also operating just above prospect level. Wallin and Bakole I guess are the best picks of the rest - but realistically I hardly feel they deserve it either…yet.

    I personally can’t justify dropping Ruiz, as even though he has been inactive, if you keep Wilder you can’t be hypocritical and drop Ruiz for inactivity really. Ortiz has been dropped not just for inactivity, but the fact that he also lost to Ruiz, so Ruiz keeps the spot.

    It’s pretty hard to fill out the bottom few slots to be honest.
     
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  15. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The most glaring error remains Ring rating Oleksandr Usyk as champ.

    People seem to gloss over that one.

    Usyk doesn't even think he's the real champ.

    Fury's been dictating the terms to their fight the whole time. Everyone knows who the World Champion is. And it isn't the Ukrainian.

    Fury is actually going to become a three-time Ring champ, and he's never lost a fight. The morons at Ring Magazine need to quit taking his belt away from him.

    Next time, Ring should give it to the guy who beats him.
     
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