Strange how neither Hrgovic, EddieHearn nor Kalle Sauerland arent protesting IBF for Fury-Usyk fight

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  1. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I'm sorry, but you are talking some absolutely bol*****.
    Hrgovic becomes mandatory when he "beats" Zhang. He didn't even beat him to be fair, and that should have been a loss in his record, draw at best, and or worst IBF should have ordered a rematch. Anyway don't want to discuss that topic of Zhang anymore, but this is 1 factor.

    You don't even know when Usyk vs Fury will fight, whether they will have a rematch, but you are talking about some imaginer 4-5 years, which is again nonsenses and completely untrue.

    Even if somehow Fury and Usyk took the whole 2024 year for their matches/rematches, which is the absolutely worst case scenario, Hrgovic will get his chance at worst early 2025.
    He become mandatory on 20 August 2022. You do the work and explain to me how that is 4-5 years waiting?
    At worst he will have to wait 2 and a half years.

    And it's not because anyone is ducking him, but because Fury was a diva and stretched the Undisputed fight.

    As far as the other points, since he became mandatory, Hrgovic has just 1 fight. And again there should not be excuse to not fight 1-2 more time, while waiting for his chance.

    As far as AJ, who the heck is considering him as number 1 exactly ? This is completely untrue. And do you for real compare AJ and his resume to Hrgovic, cause that will be even more silly.
    And if we had to be honest McKean ain't much better than Franklin. Franklin at least have decent cardio and solid, solid chin.

    And again if Hrgovic is for real a number 1, then he shouldn't have a problem with opponents ranked below him.
    And i'm not suggesting he should fight AJ or Wilder, but a top 10 contenders, as there is plenty where Hrgovic could stay busy and should not have much trouble on paper if he is as good as his ranking suggested.
     
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  2. JackTheChamp123

    JackTheChamp123 Member banned Full Member

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    Dude, it is not Hrgovic job to prove himself to be number 1, that is a Champions job, and all Hrgovic wants is to challange that champion, which he has a right, after being straight up ducked by 10 or 11 "top contenders", he beat Zhang, not "beat", beat, watch the full fight, he took shots that KO-ed Joyce, former number 3, and gave Zhang a beating aswell, you repeating a lie that it is Zhang dominated fight can only be truth if you repeat it a infinite number a time. Of course you dont want to discuss it, it doesnt fit your narative.

    Who did Joshua beat before Klitcko fight? Eric goddamn Molina, 0 names on record. He got a shot against old, beat Wladimir Klitcko who was 42 at least. Then AS A CHAMPION with record of 16:0
    • Carlos Takam, old beaten guy - not on level of Zhang or McKean (17th fight)
    • Joseph Parker, ducker - not on level of Zhang, but Ill consider it a name (18th fight)
    • Povetkin - not on level of Zhang, it is name (19th fight)
    • Ruiz - not Zhang level, name, lost (20/21st fight)
    • Pulev - not Zhang level, name (22)
    • Usyk - Zhang level (23/24rd fight), lost both - so Joshua needed 3 belts, and 22 fights to reach Zhang level opponent, Hrgovic did it in 15 fights, Joshua at 15th fight fought Eric Molina then got shot at the belt - british privielege
    • Miller - not on Mckean level
    • Helenius glass Jaw dropped by Wilder in round 1 - not on McKean level
    Im not impressed, lets look at Wilder
    • 40:0 - hasnt fought a guy on Zhang, and I will dare to say neither McKean level of opponent - that is 40 fights
    • 41:0 - fought 40 yo Luis Ortiz - 1 name
    • Fury - Zhang level oppoent - lost 3 times -

    Yeah, if Hrgovic was to beat Ruiz and Bakole lets say, he would have better record with 18:0 then Wilder and Joshua TOGHETER
     
  3. JackTheChamp123

    JackTheChamp123 Member banned Full Member

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    I mean it is 43 fights
    • First 40 fights are nobodies really, I dont know them, I see on his boxrec that only 3 star fighter was Scott Malik
    • Then he fought old Luis Ortiz (but for the sake of not arguing, and knowing that Fury and Joshua both fought old Klitcko) lets call him a credible name, but was he really ever Elite?
    • Lost to Fury - Elite level
    • Helenius - Elite levels dont get KO-ed in round 1
     
  4. JackTheChamp123

    JackTheChamp123 Member banned Full Member

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    Oritz fought Ruiz, Sanchez is way younger but hasnt fought in god knows many years
     
  5. JackTheChamp123

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    I think it is a bunch of old boxers debating, it is not math related.
     
  6. JackTheChamp123

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    Hrgovic vicotry over Zhang isnt as great as Zhang victory over Joyce, it is acceptable that Zhang is above him. Parker ducked Hrgovic 2 times, he really should not be ahead of him.
     
  7. JackTheChamp123

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    Have you really watch the fight? You havent, havent you? McKean backed Hrgovic? I hope you arent using Wrestling pushing (a tactic to tire) as example because Hrgovic letting him push him to the ropes is a tactic aswell. On punching side, McKean hasnt won 1 round. You really didnt watch the fight.

    Poor foot work - his tactic wasnt outboxing, dancing and circling the oppoent so why is this releveant, if he had chose to fight that way then his foot work could be criticized.

    Lacklustre jab - that means you are saying Hrgovic has no power, but I can counter that McKean aint no Robert Helenius.

    Stamina is a problem, especially if you are Wrestling again. But his activity is very high, many punches thrown in both Zhang and McKean fight.
     
  8. Pepsi Dioxide

    Pepsi Dioxide Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He fought 5 days ago
     
  9. kirk

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    What an appalling list.

    How would someone even defend that list.

    I knew the Ring had fallen off, but this is ridiculous lol.
     
  10. kiwi_boxer

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    Being from a different corner of the globe, it's safe to say that the majority of our "casual boxing enthusiasts" were largely unfamiliar with Deontay Wilder until he started associating himself with Anthony Joshua. Then it wasn't until Wilder fought Fury that his name was widely known Internationally.

    To put it bluntly, Joseph Parker's skill set may not be considered elite (nor should it), whether in his prime or at any other point. However, one could make a case that his track record is at least on par with Wilder's, if not slightly superior. And that's coming from one of Parker's bigger critics...

    Is Wilder's resume embarrassingly poor? Yes.

    Let's not forget, in the biggest win of his career the fight was halted at the start of the round (after he was out on his feet) for no reason other than to regain his senses.
     
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  11. Serge

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    It's interesting how they have Hrgovic ranked below Big Bang even though he officially holds a win over him albeit a controversial one. FTR, I'm not arguing it should be different.

    Maybe it's like how they had Jeff Horn ranked like 97 or something in their annual ranking the top 100 fighters in the game feature even after he beat Manny because they considered it a robbery.

    But by that logic they have Haney ranked above Loma P4P even though only 17-18k of the 118k who took part in FightHub's poll had him beating Loma. That's ten times the size of any poll I've ever seen for a fight.

    I get that Haney holds all the belts but he's also never fought a single world champion close to his size and and all bar two of them were old, past their prime, or shot to bits and one of the two who wasn't was a career 126 leprechaun who is 1-3 at 135 and could easily be 0-4

    Whereas, conversely, Loma is routinely fighting opponents 2 or 3 divisions heavier than him, or 4 in Haney's case, and often giving away huge amounts of reach too and almost all of them were in their primes ie. the complete antithesis of what Haney is doing and in addition to that Loma is and always will be clearly a way better and more skilled fighter than Haney is or ever will be. Haney is just way bigger and younger.

    P4P does not mean beating opponents you're way bigger, heavier and longer than and past prime or shot old men you're way bigger, heavier and longer than. What Loma is doing is truly P4P worthy :facepalm:
     
  12. Rollin

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    One of the most carefully crafted resumes of all time. Dosser has the audacity to say Mike Tyson fought nobody, while the Kid Dynamite fought Tillis, Frazier, Smith, Thomas, Tucker, Berbick, Tubbs, Biggs, Williams, Bruno, and Ruddock. Putting the Spinks and Holmes bouts which can be called as unfair or a retirement paycheck, he was consistently in the ring with respectable names, or outright cream of the crop of the 80's.
     
  13. steviebruno

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    I feel like this has been discussed before...
     
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  14. BlackDog

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    Stiverne from fight numero uno was quiet good.
    Shame one me but back on this time I see Bermane favorite....

    Now I understand that even if he was quiet dangerous his style was perfect for someone like Deontay.

    Pretty poor resume. He avoid/ducked 2 mandatory fights (Povetkin and Whyte) for almost 4 years. He avoid Joshua, Klitschko. All good fights. I think Povetkin in that time will whooped his ass
     
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  15. Veys9

    Veys9 Let's go Champ! Full Member

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    Jermaine Franklin belongs to Top 10 I think.