Strength and conditioning coaches. Are they really needed?

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  1. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm not a big fan if I'm honest, and I think this has the potential for an intresting debate.

    Are these fitness Guru's really needed? Or is it one more slice of the pie being given away by the fighter?

    Obviously we have Alex Ariza, who has been instrumental in Pacquaio steam rolling up the weight classes in recent years. We then have the ever controversial Victor Conte.

    Yet we see so many fighters getting tired? Understandable, but then I'll use Floyd Mayweather, and Joe Calzaghe as contradictions. Do you remember seeing them tired? Neither of them has to the best of my knowlege, ever employed a strength and conditioning coach.

    What do you think ESB, are they needed?
     
  2. Arcane

    Arcane One More Time Full Member

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    Maybe if you're making a big jump up in weight like Hopkins did from 160-175 or Jones from 175-190+ but other then that I think they're overrated.
     
  3. rayrobinson

    rayrobinson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not needed , only there for ego's . A good trainer should be able to do the job, the only addition i think a fighter should have in todays sport is a dietitian.
     
  4. Momus

    Momus Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think any marginal gain you can find is worthwhile.

    When talking about "stamina" in boxing though, so much of it is about staying relaxed and not burning energy unnecessarily. It's no coincidence that fighters regarded as having great stamina are generally loose and relaxed in the ring (eg Mayweather and Calzaghe).

    A case in point is 70s Foreman Vs 90s Foreman. The younger version was clearly in better shape as measured conventionally, but the older version had none of the stamina issues that his former muscle-bound self suffered from.
     
  5. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    not needed, but they can help depending on the type of fighter you are. Some fighters are just so tense and waste so much energy, that it doesn't matter. I remembered reading an article on expertboxing.com that explained that and how increasing your stamina won't keep you from getting tired, it just gives you more energy to waste if you have bad technique.
    And I thought that Andre Berto was perfect example of that and the Zaveck fight is a good display of it (his first fight with Conte).

    They can be beneficial though. Ariza did help Khan and look at Marquez, but like mentioned before, they were moving up in weight
     
  6. Shrewd Operator

    Shrewd Operator Active Member Full Member

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    Answered your own questions!

    Yes strength and conditioning is essential in any sport in this day and age.
    Its just the way things have gone, ever wonder why PEDS are a far bigger problem these days?
     
  7. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    For some fighters, yes.
     
  8. jeffjoiner

    jeffjoiner Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I would think being a professional athlete involves putting yourself in the best condition to compete. As such, yes, a strength and conditioning coach should be a part of a boxer, or gym's, team.
     
  9. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There's also the psycological aspect to consider.

    Some fighters feel better about themselves, knowing that a professional has helped them get into what they think is the best shape possible.

    Others insist that they know their own body.
     
  10. Arcane

    Arcane One More Time Full Member

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    I remember Morales got a strength and conditioning coach......got KO'd in 3.
     
  11. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Are you a fan of "box-only" regimens SJS19? Not necessarily an excessive amount of sparring, but only using boxing mechanics (although Toney and Chavez did go fairly far with simply putting in rounds all day in camp.)
     
  12. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not necessary, but certainly can be helpful.
     
  13. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sparring should be used to gauge fitness, and work on certain plans, certain tactics. IMO.

    I don't believe in sparring for no good reason. I do agree that it's neccesary. The only way to condition yourself to get hit, is to actually get hit.

    I'm not a fan of science interfereing with Boxing. Dieticians monitoring body fat, heart rate and what not. The results are in front of your eyes. If you can't tell how close your fighter is to his peak, by using your own knowlege and conversing with him (Or her) then you shouldn't be doing what you're doing.

    Toney sparred because he loves contact. If someone had stopped him from doing that, he may be a little more co-hearent today.
     
  14. thawk888

    thawk888 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This whole concept that S&C coaches are integral to the "team" is nonsense.

    Some fighters may need extra help in the "diet" aspect. But any coach worth his salt should have the "conditioning" aspect of their fighters, completely wrapped up.

    Imo, all that you need are within the traditional workouts. It's really up to the fighter to know what to do with it.
     
  15. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Right, that's why I included the "without excessive amounts of sparring" part. I meant to ask if you prefer exercises that only use boxing mechanics; shadowboxing, punch-outs, mitt-work, technical drills, bag-work, constructive sparring, etc.