Strength training 4-5 reps of excercise??

Fights are 90% of the time won by the fitter guy especially at our level

 

Damn skippy. All the skill in the world wont help you if you gas in a round.

 

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Thank You Leonius. Finally a voice of reason. Did Ali or Louis or Dempsey or Robinson give a damn about sarcoplasmic hypertrophy or hyperplasia or whatever the hell it's called. This is Boxing not bodybuilding. The ability to box is primary as is conditioning. Strength is important but is relative when discussing Boxing. All the stength in the world doesn't mean a thing if you can't box or gas out after a round or two. And if today's HW scene is an example of modern training then gine me the good old days!

 

You have no idea what you're talking about, obvious by the way you seem to think lifting weights must mean building muscle i.e. bodybuilding.

If done correctly, lifting weights can make you stronger with no negative effects on conditioning. Your problem with that...?

 

Thank You Leonius. Finally a voice of reason.

Did Ali or Louis or Dempsey or Robinson give a damn about sarcoplasmic hypertrophy or hyperplasia or whatever the hell it's called.

No but they should have done- optimal conditioning would have left them even further ahead of their cohorts then their skills and fitness allowed.

This is Boxing not bodybuilding.

You don't have to be a bodybuilder to reap the benefits of conditioning.

The ability to box is primary as is conditioning.

The ability to box, and optimal conditioning are two different things. They can't both be primary. Both are important to difrentiating degrees for different types of fighters.

Strength is important but is relative when discussing Boxing.

What? Relative to what?

All the stength in the world doesn't mean a thing if you can't box or gas out after a round or two.

Stength has many definitions, you don't know what your talking about.

And if today's HW scene is an example of modern training then gine me the good old days!

Boxing is backward and the heavyweight division is attracting less and less talent. Look at the heavyweights in MMA for a better indication of what intelligent planning and training can lead to.

Please don't post about conditioning if youdon't understand it,.

 

Mma and Boxing are two different sports. Boxing requires a participant to remain standing while throwing punches and avoiding punches as well as employing footwork to get in and out of range. A fighter can't take a man to the ground if he wants to avoid an opponents punches. He has to stay on his feet and utilize the skills necessary to avoid taking too much punishment. I'm not against weight training for boxing. Boxers have used weights for many years but not necessarily the way a wrestler or mixed martial artist might. There are no takedowns or throws or hip tosses in Boxing. There are however jabs, hooks, crosses, feints, parries, slips, rolls, blocks and footwork..all the while remaining on your feet. Strength certainly plays a role but conditioning is king.

 

Explain the differences when the aim is increasing strength. You keep going on about coniditioning which is not the aim when weight lifting.

 

this might be the funniest thread I have ever read on ESB

 

Okay...I'll give it one last go. The old time fighters employed dumbbells and wall pulleys in thier training regimens but they were used to increase strength endurance rather than maximal strength. Fighters like JimJeffries, Jack Johnson, Ad Wolgast, Battling Nelson and Jack Dempsey would often shadow box while holding a pair of dumbbells or throw punches while using wall pulleys for resistance. Such exercises will increase srength while at the same time increase endurance. So does chopping wood and rowing and throwing rocks ala Marciano. It sounds antiquated nowadays but it worked. Very rarely did you see fighters with a gut. Not when you had a 15 round bout...or more. Such exercices were time efficient as well. Just about all of the old timers used sprinting along with thier long distance runs too. whats old is new again I find when I research many of the old training regimens. If you're a trainer and you need to get your protege up to speed quickly, do you really have time to include periodization techniques in a lifting program? Or time to teach him the proper way to power clean...or snatch? I may sound like a long winded old fogey here but I think you'll have to admit I have a point. Someone mentioned earlier that boxing is a skill sport and that's true. Can you fight? That is the question. Please excuse me while I take my old fashioned self back to the Classic Forum where it belongs.

 

Like stated earlier, you have no clue what you're talking about.

 

Then Neither did Charley Goldman, Chappie Blackburn, Ray Arcel and Angelo Dundee. If I'm as clueless as they were then I'm flattered.

 

When it came to weight training they most likely were completely clueless, because, well, they were boxing coaches, not fitness professionals!

Holding dumbbells while shadow boxing is dangerous to your joints and muscles. It also ****s up your punch mechanics, yet your heroes done this. The other examples, chopping wood etc is conditioning, not strength training.

Like I said, clueless. Yet you'll still do the silly **** and argue against advancement in the sport because the old timers used to do it.

 

Sorry for being rude Jim, your wrong on this one - all the best

 

Interesting Thread, my 2ps worth. What creates the better neoromuscular response. Slap or Tickle as regards neuromuscular Feel and why.