Strikeforce Signs Fedor To Multi-Fight Deal, M-1 To Co-Promote

Can you please tell me what Overeem has done at HW to justify him being in the top 10?

And how in the world does Rogers get ranked 7th? He knocked out Arlovski and all his other victories have been against tomato cans. Rogers has shown absolutely nothing other than mediocre boxing skills and good power.

Werdum is Fedors best opponent. Overeem and Monson would be okay opponents and Rogers would be laughable how one-sided that fight would be.

 

Apply all your reasoning to Lesnar.

 

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Good aritcle, thanks for posting. This was Coker's plan since day one, but he is making it sound straightforward. There will be times when things will get difficult, espically when there are 3 orgs dealing with each other. I really hope it works out and they do well.

 

MMA simply doesnt have the strength in depth to keep all this promotions in business.

 

It's the same thing every time. These promotions try to go too big, too fast. Offer more money than they can promise... and end up too far in debt, FAST. It seems like they always end up doing this immediately after they sign Fedor/M-1 Global. I think that they overestimate exactly how much drawing power Fedor has. Then... when their PPV doesn't even come close to breaking them even... they're screwed.

 

Good point Widdow. Surely it wouldbe better to be a small organisation which makes a profit and developes over time rather than go for the big buck quickly and then go bust.

 

Not true. They were willing to let him promote M-1 on his shorts and on the banner behind him before fights. They were also willing to let him fight Sambo as he chooses. What the UFC wasn't willing to do was to give into the offer of being 50-50 partners with M-1.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_y...14?slug=ki-fedorufc073109&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

 

Fedor VS Gina Carano!!

Go Gina!

 

I dont think anyones mentioned the possability of UFC HW's defecting to have the chance to fight Fedor in Strikeforce. We all know Randy wants the fight, maybe even Mir too. Now that would **** Dana off badly

 

Dana will basically say, you go somewhere you'll never fight in the UFC again. Right now, he has the power to put such an ultimatum and make it work.

 

I dont doubt that, he's done it before. But if something like that did happen it would only make Strikeforce a bigger draw for fighters to sign as opposed to bein Dana White's *****. Dont think it will ever get to the Pride v UFC levels tho, but its gotta be good for MMA in general

 

Lesnar has beat two champs who were top easily; Herring is a solid fighter who beat huge wrestlers Kerr and Erikson, so he was a real test for Lesnar. It's not just that he beat them, it's that he looked like one of the best fighters on the planet doing it. The way he won was so impressive that anybody who can see talent sees world class talent in Brock; as good as the second most talent in the world, and clearly the best physical ability in the division.

It is the combo of who he beat, how he beat them, his mma specific skills, and his physical ability.

Overeem has some of the same things, but no all of them and not quite as strongly.

Overeem has beat many top 10 LHW's but those aren't heavyweights, still shows his mma specific skills. He has beat 3 good HW's; kharitanov was a sure top 10 HW and Overeem pounded him sensless after breaking him with a great throw, which also shows he has more than striking and a guillotine, he is clearly skilled in MMA and had some great physical gifts, not as good as Lesnars overall, but his length and height are much better, maybe the best.
Hunt was coming off loses too Fedor and Barnett, but so r people had him as high as 5 before those loses ( I had him lower to fringe top 10) and was still thought of as a top fighter by a lot of people. Mainly Hunt was considered one of the best strikers in HW, so people thought Overeem was in real trouble. Overeem dominated that fight showing Great skill in all aspects, and great physical gifts, also showed a good fight IQ. So the Hunt fight had the impressive showing, possibly the quality opponent (although not in hindsight), but most importantly he had the "matchup problem" in that Hunt dominated strikers, even more than Herring's wins over two huge great wreslters in Kerr and Erikson. Overeem looked very skilled and physically dominant, so that was a great addition to his credentials.

Buentello is a solid fighter who can strike very well, not a top guy but solid. That fight showed his skill and physical gifts in a hge way, that was one of those times you could just see world class talent and world class physical gifts.

So Overeem has a very good HW resume, with the wins, but mostly with the way he looked winning. I don't think it's quite as good as Lesnars. Overeem does have his LHW record though, where he has looked like a top fighter.

But there are also downsides to Overeems record as in the Rematch with Khaotanov he looked very bad, he was oustruck badly and never looked like winning, he also gassed which made him look very average physical gift wise. Also Overeem has been beaten badly and looked terrible physically and nnot great skill wise.

Another bad mark on the resume is his loss to Werum. (I will break down Werdum later) Which was a was a worse loss than Lesnar's. He just did not look good; he looked one dimensional with just striking. Wereum is a top fighter but is fairly one dimensional. Werdum is not a great striker and not the best with takedow; it could have been a good style matchup for Overeem to win. Instead, Overeem looked one dimensional because he couldn't stay on his feet with takedown defesnse and got handled on the ground. Compare with Lesnars loss; Lesnar showed huge power I. His punches and looked like he would win, Overeem looked bad outside of his comfort style and never looked like winning.

In his defesnse the 205 losses were as a a 205er (although Pride never had anybody not make weight except when tons did in the US; meaning they let guys be over the limit in Japan).

His losses to Kharitanov and Werdum were also when he was still not quite a full time.

Since he has turned into his 250lb physical wonder alot of those problems just got easily fixed, although gas is still a possible problem.

 

I won't believe Lesnar hype until he gets more wins under his belt. Yes, his wins were good but he didn't look good in Couture fight and Mir is very inconsistent, very bad at planning and zero cerebral fighting ability. Herring didn't look so hot against a good wrestler right before, nothing surprising about this win.
Same way I didn't believe Machida hype, but he has proven that he can hold his own when tested. Lesnar hasn't been tested not anywhere enough. Couple more wins like what we saw and we have a good champ. Unfortunately UFC is full of green prospects that get title shot way too fast.

 

Just wondering what you mean by "not buying the hype"? Do you mean in terms of record?

Outside of record do you not see the world class talent I do?