Strongest boxing legacy: Russia, Ukraine, or Poland?

He lives in Saint Petersburg. His Father is Moldovan. Does Bivol sound or spelled like a russian name. No because it's not

 

He is российский- Russian. No dispute by anybody with knowledge on the situation. Also, Bivol is a surname in Russia, it's just not as common as in Moldova. Although it's irrelevant as he's not русский.

 

No

 

Im confused where you stand in this debate?
So its okay to raise a flag for any country even if your a not a native of the country and say you are from that country because you obtain a citizenship of that country?
Your saying Bivol is doing exactly what GGG is doing? Representing a country they are not native of?

 

Russia and Ukraine are the same, Soviet boxing school. And Poland is below those two.
In the first 100 p4p boxers are the following from Russia and the USSR countries:
https://www.google.com/search?q=uss...4YKT0Aw&bih=937&biw=1920#imgrc=FyCBSIgQK3A0CM
2. Dmitrii Bivol Russia
4. Oleksandr Usyk Ukraine
8. Gennadiy Golovkin Kazakhstan
11. Artur Beterbiev (Russian, took Canadian citizenship)
25. Mairis Briedis Latvia
31. Vasyl Lomachenko Ukraine
47. Magomed Kurbanov Russia
68. Israil Madrimov Uzbekistan
84. Dilmurod Satybaldiev Russia
86. Murodjon Akhmadaliev Uzbekistan
90. Eimantas Stanionis Lithuania
91. Sergiy Derevyanchenko
Source: https://boxrec.com/en/ratings?offset=0

If I didn't accidentally miss a boxer.

 

My point is this. Look I'm a first Generation American. An American citizen. If my country goes to war I fight for America period. BUT from an ethnic standpoint I'm predominantly Ukrainian and German. It's the same with say Arthur Abraham. He's listed as German. He's not. He's a German citizen but we all know that ethnicly he's Armenian. It's like that all over the world. You can be an American citizen with the last name Kowalski but from an ethnic standpoint your obviously Polish. Fedor Emelianenko the MMA legend is another big example. Born in Ukraine grew up and lives in Russia considers himself Russian but the last name is 100% Ukrainian. Undeniable facts. I hope you get my Point which is its less important to me where you live. It's what your last name identifies what your ethnicity actually is. That's my interpretation of the question being asked

 

Isn't Beterbiev an ethnic Chechen which is not actually Russian from an ethnic standpoint. Same as Bivol who's also not a ethnic Russian but yes is a citizen

 

Clearly there is a distinction between ethnicity and nationality, which means you can parse this different ways, but when we are talking about the fighters that each nation had a hand in producing, we have to concern ourselves with the system. And when we refer to fighters from former Soviet nations, Russia was the primary driving force behind the Eastern European style we have come to know and respect. Early practitioners like Tszyu, Arbachakov, Nazarov, Maskaev, etc., are good examples of it and it has been producing quality professionals since--Beterbiev, Bivol, Povetkin, Lebedev, Pirog, Karmazin, Kovalev, Shafikov, Vlasov, Ibragimov, Gassiev, Drozd, and many more. That's just Russia and not the nations who have adopted their influence.

Also, the OP specifies that this is a matter of totality, not merely professional participants. Any glance at the Olympic medal count shows that Russia/USSR has a total of 81, while Poland has 43, and the Ukraine has 15. Adding medals from the World Championships and other international competitions only widens the gap further. Now think about all of the coaches who participated in this success and their exported expertise. The most glaring example being that of Cuba. The Castro-run nation modeled it's boxing program after the USSR's and trainer Andrei Chervonenko helped establish it. Guys like Vasili Romanov assisted, as well. It beggars the question of how good the renowned system would have become without Russian help.

Russia has the strongest boxing tradition of them all.

 

Thanks for replying. It looks like your understanding of Ancestry/Heritage from Citizenship is the exact point I was trying to make about GGG.