Sturm is a very real chance of beating Abraham or Pavlik

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  1. BoxingTrashTalk

    BoxingTrashTalk Active Member Full Member

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    If they were to fight next, i would pick Sturm to be highly competitive and possibly beat, either Abraham or Pavlik.

    Everyone says Abraham can end a fight early. However at 160 he is drained and has no where near the same power he shows at SMW. Also at MW some weak chinned and poor defensive fighters have gone 12, such as Shannon Taylor, Ayala etc etc.

    With Pavlik, well i think Sturm is a more realistic chance of beating him. Sturm has a great defence, jab and solid work rate. Enough to cause Pavlik problems. Sturms lateral movement alone will give Pavlik something to worry about.

    So i think Sturm vs Abraham would go down to the last few rounds, when deciding a winner.

    And i think Sturm can outpoint Pavlik. (Who looked absolutely terrible against Hopkins).
     
  2. VHB

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    Wise words.

    We have known what Sturm is about since he beat DLH.

    I think these top three MW´s are quite even. Sturm is the best defender and has the best jab of them.
     
  3. Loewe

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    I agree that he would be very competative with both. But the thing is Abraham needs only one punch to end the fight and he has 12 rounds for that and Sturm has the habit of getting a bit careless when he feels he dominates and he would think he does against AA due to Arthur´s lazyness.

    Pavlik is something different. Sturm hasn´t as much or good lateral movement as Hopkins, he also lacks the size and strength advantage of Hopkins and is a weaker puncher than Hopkins. This all would change the way the fight wents. I agree that Sturm has a great jab, imo he has the best left hand p4p at the moment, and he has good defence, fast hands and feet but would this be enough to beat a high workrate accumulation puncher like Pavlik? Don´t know but I doubt it.

    I can see Sturm beating both. I think he has about a chance of 40% against Abraham and 30% against Pavlik but both would be the rightful favourite.
     
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    He just keeps proving himself and dropping his mandatories. Im expecting bigger and better things from him.

    Im also believing, that he believes in himself now. And hes suddenly realizing. Hey, maybe i can beat these two.
     
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    Sturm is a really good boxer, and I can see him beating AA due to his Defense and Boxing skill -- but I would still probably favor AA.

    Against Pavlik , I just can't see him winning. Pavlik @ 170 vs Hopkins is a completely different story than Pavlik vs Sturm @ 160 . Pavlik is a different beast at 160, and is just too big for sturm. I think he would have something like 3 1/2 inchs of height advantage over Sturm, and anyone who has boxed before knows that a guy 3 1/2 inches taller than you who fights tall and has power is a tall order to fill.

    I think Pavlik wins easily
     
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    I can MAYBE MAYBE MAYBE see him being competetive with AA...

    but mark my words, bring this up, do whatever you want... if he ever fights Pavlik hes getting dominated... hard.
     
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    USboxer1981 The Real Def. MVP Full Member

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    Kirk are u all recovered from the Mayorga loss? I know that one hit you hard :?
     
  8. ashley

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    AA has a great defense so to a point Sturms jab wont score like it did on the weekend.

    Sturm had a great fight and his stock went up and thats a fact :deal
     
  9. Arriba

    Arriba Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Abraham's defense (while a little cooky) is vastly underrated. His power would put Sturm's chin to the test and lest we forget Abraham is a lot better at cutting off the ring than we give him credit for.

    I don't see how he could beat Abraham unless Abraham falls into a pattern of taking minutes off inside the round and flurrying late..something he's done from time to time.
     
  10. Fat Tony

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    Sturm's high guard worked against Sylvester's straight punches who only threw about five hooks to the head and five body shots in the whole fight. Castillejos hooks caused much more problems to Sturm.

    That's why I highly doubt that Sturm's porous high guard can handle Abraham's shots coming from different angles. Sturm has to use his legs to avoid Abraham's combinations. If he tries to block Abraham's bombs he'll get destroyed.
     
  11. ya-ni

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    I been saying this before the first taylor fight,,,sturm would beat palvik,,,the only way palvik wins if, not one punch, cause sturm can take a punch,, is if sturm gets ahead on the score cards, start to feel his oats, an trades, which he none to do,,,then he would lose, sturm a smart fighter, an to fast for palvik,,,I always believe as a sturm fan, that he should of chased down palvik, took a 30/70 split,,,,i just don't see palvik beating sturm jab,,, but now as damaged goods, he might want to get 50/50:hi:
     
  12. Loewe

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    From time to time, he did that in his last fights since the Ikeke fight. That was the last time I really saw him fight for every round. He does so because he is weight-drained at 160 and because otherwise he wouldn´t have the stamina to go 12.
     
  13. Loewe

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    Sturm would fight different against Abraham. Against Sylvester he was at a diasadvantage in terms of reach, against Abraham he would have a reach advantage and would fight from long distance instead of mid-range.
     
  14. Fat Tony

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    He used the same "tactic" against Miranda at 166 pounds.
     
  15. Loewe

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    wtf? Abraham did **** for the first three rounds against Miranda and only started to throw punches when he had Miranda hurt. Before there he only threw one shot every 30 seconds.